[ SECRET POST #6177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6177 ⌋

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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

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01. https://i.imgur.com/92j8CAh.png

I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

There are absolutely things that need sequels or to be continued. I'm not talking about things with deliberately ambiguous endings, but the ones with so many loose story threads. The ones where almost nothing has been resolved and it feels like you've stopped in the middle.

I also think that some sequels or continuation take away from what came before. A sequel or continuation should add something to the property. If it trashes many or all of the good things from the property, then making it was a bad choice.

[(Anonymous)]

I think when people say that they often mean the sequel doesn't feel like it's adding anything to the story.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but this feels a little pedantic. People are usually just saying they feel like a story has come to a satisfying conclusion and they think adding more would make it less cohesive. Which is a reasonable take a lot of the time, considering the amount of not-very-good sequels out there.

[feotakahari]

Sometimes the person who wrote the earlier story doesn’t own the license and has no control over whether the new ones are made.

[meadowphoenix]

I agree and disagree, I feel like it's perfectly fine to make a normative judgment on whether adding to some piece of media is likely to be interesting/additive/good. And more importantly, it's extremely normal to have thoughts on media, including these. Essentially these comments are just thoughts and commentary on the story told, which is part of telling a story.

That said, people are really annoying. There are few things more irritating to me than "we already know what's going to happen" or "this ended firmly" Okay? Sometimes I like to understand the source of someone's cynicism or optimism. Sometimes I like seeing how a someone faces a new challenge. Life doesn't stop and start just when we are engaged. You can say new things with the same characters and/or places!

On the third hand, corporations do be wildin in trash. Usually I don't get none of the stuff that's interesting in the way i just mentioned, I get thoughtless bullshit. Like I'm just thinking of how it would have been amazing to do prequel/sequel with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke, where Obi-Wan learns to find hope again and Luke loses it. It would made Luke's parts of the Last Jedi actually cohesive for one thing. Instead we got Kenobi and Rian Johnson trying to explicate the fallout of a story none of us know.

So, I guess I gotta say, this is just living with other people sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the type of person who can't ignore sequels even if I hate them and/or they're actually just bad. I've tried. I can't. If I love something and it gets a sequel that takes it in a way I don't like, I can no longer enjoy it at all. So yeah. Some things don't need sequels and should never have them.

[(Anonymous)]

Saying people can't make a judgment about whether a work should have a sequel/prequel or not because 'only the author can decide that' is basically like saying people can't call a work good or not because 'only the author knows that'. I.e. it's a pretty stupid take.

[(Anonymous)]

Funnily enough, hot takes like the one OP here have is why I don't engage in fandom much anymore. LOL

I understand we all have differing opinions, talking to each other about our preferences and why we like what we like, but why engage with people who don't even want to hear you out or look at something with a new/different perspective?

That's the real reason as to why I've taken a step back from fandom.

Everyone is just so sure their opinion is the "right" opinion. It's about winning the argument, not so much futhering discussion on art/creativity or challenging oneself to see beyond their own biases and preferences.

It's always about how other people are stupid and wrong and therefore fuck you and your opinions.
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[(Anonymous)]

MEH, I think this is a very naive take. Also, it's not a WRITING decision most of the time. It's money. Sequel and prequels gets done because of the money, the writing/creative part is secondary way more often than not (which is why the quality usually drops and/or retcons are done sloppily).

And yeah, I can claim that a series doesn't need a sequel because it's an opinion.
For example, I think that stranger things has been thoroughly ruined by not being a short season. To me doing other seasons was a bad decision because with that they ruined the possibility of a new mainstream market of short contained horror stories aimed at kids/teens (and they even ruined the tension of the first season). But uh... that's my opinion??? Is it a stupid opinion that shouldn't be vocalized because the sequels were a "writing decision" from the part of the creators?

I don't get you. I mean, I kind of get where you're coming from, since people can be very toxic in fandom spaces and discussions can get pretty tiring and futile, but that doesn't mean that your reaction is the right one.
You remind me of those people who start the conversations with ACTUAAAALLY and then spew cynic takes to feel superior.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah echoing people above to say that I disagree with the general position of this secret. When people say something "doesn't need a sequel" in my experience, it's because the original work told a very tight, self-contained story with a satisfying ending. By writing a sequel, often this means inserting drama that didn't exist in the original story (or reopening it in a contrived way) or significantly changing characters' established characterization to be able to tell a new story with them, which risks changing people's feelings about the original work and what they view its legacy as.

Sometimes it is the case that a very tight story COULD afford a sequel AND the sequel that gets made is well-received by fans of the original, but it can be incredibly risky for certain kinds of stories, and I think that's what people are trying to point out when they say a work doesn't need a sequel -- they're pointing out (mostly) objective aspects of the original story that leave little room for a satisfying sequel that doesn't damage the original.

It's all writing decisions, but some writing decisions are riskier or more foolish than others. And there are a lot of external pressures that push writers to turn satisfying standalone plots into disappointing sequels, and those pressures often come from monetary considerations rather than what makes for good/satisfying art.

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[(Anonymous)]

I feel this. I just got into the Mistress of the Art of Death series, only to find out that the author died in 2011.

[(Anonymous)]

Me with "Bridge of Birds." On one hand, I feel like three amazing books was exactly the right amount, on the other hand I wish he kept writing like Terry Pratchett forever and I had dozens of books to work my way through instead of only three.

I have only read two. I haven't found the third yet, but I'm in no hurry because once I read it, it's all over, forever.

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[(Anonymous)]

LOL, thank you, Secret Maker! The "Hollandest" meme is hilarious.

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[(Anonymous)]

Firstly, they didn't know what the Death Star was capable of. It was the first time it was used to blow up a planet and the idea of a weapon that powerful was probably unthinkable.

Secondly, how long do you think it takes for someone to stop whatever they're doing, travel to wherever the nearest ship they can use is, get it ready for takeoff, and clear the atmosphere enough that they wouldn't be caught in the shockwaves or debris from the explosion?

They had no chance.

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[(Anonymous)]

Anyone want to explain what a landcomm is?

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[(Anonymous)]

I am an X-Men fan and I agree that there are some fans who never got over X-Men not being the most popular Marvel team/ensemble anymore and they are especially bitter about anyone coming to Marvel from the MCU. Also there are some real gatekeeping assholes in the fandom. If you've run into them first, I see why you wouldn't want to join in.

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Favorite tropes

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What are your top favorite tropes? The ones you go hunting for. The ones that make you interested in media you otherwise might not watch or read. The ones that just make you happy.

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