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⌈ Secret Post #6250 ⌋

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Comments

Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

I looked at the responses I got and I noticed half of them were assuming I wasn't doing any writing, and I thought it was weird because I specifically mentioned that I used CAI as a springboard for my ideas Or played with them to study the responses of bots who do certain characters well and learn from them how I could write the canon character.

Where the heck did anyone get the impression that I was talking about copy pasting CAI logs to a document and posting it. Because that's not what I recall saying. Why to people hear "using Character AI for fanfic" and jump to the assumption that I'm not doing anything beyond that?

I apologize for being bitchy about it but I'm really kind of annoyed. :/

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Can't change that "AI" relies on stealing 💅

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're confusing it with art ai. The ai uses knowledge of things but with characters on sites like character ai when you make a bot it goes off what you feed it. Sure people can use fic but they also write up their own stuff for bots they make or use quotes from the canon work

And also I might add that other ai writing services like novel AI , have each users chats and stories heavily encrypted. Nobody else but you can access your chats.

It's all about the person working with the bots training them. Stealing to train the bots CAN involve stealing from fics but a lot of character ai bot makers prefer to train character bots on lines and info from the canon.

But yanno don't let that stop you from your moral superiority wank.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

I think they are talking about how to train AI the creators scanned fic and other sources and used them without permission.

But I always get a kick out of fans who write about other peoples characters/creations without permission getting upset about people using /their/ creations without permission.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my gosh, yes! When people were first freaking out about bots scrubbing AO3 and talking about how they were going to lock down their fics, all I could think was, "...but it's fanfic. Much of it isn't really 'ours' to begin with."

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

A comic artist who works at Marvel or DC doesn't own Spiderman or Batman either when they pencil/ink/color all the pages that make up a story for any of the current magazines. It doesn't mean their work is a-ok to be stolen just because they don't actually own the IP.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Not saying its okay, just laughing at the irony.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

A comic artist who's been hired to ink books for Marvel or DC has express permission from the owners of the IP to work with those characters. A person in fandom writing unlicensed fanfic does not.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

A person in fandom writing unlicensed fanfic is also not making it for profit (they better fucking not be).

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Comic artists are still not the owners of the IP, though, and still don't deserve to have their work ripped off by a machine just because someone on the internet doesn't want to put in the actual effort and time investment that turns art into art, same as fanfiction authors. Nobody's time and effort in creating something should be seen as available for anyone else to feel entitled in just taking for themselves.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

I think if you don't have other resources it can be a good starting place for practice, just like you're doing. Just make sure you're not leaning on it too much and that the goal is to work those muscles so you eventually dont need it!

Try and ignore the angry anons. A lot of people have a knee kerk response to AI and aren't capable of having an actual discussion about it.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

What's funny is, in the "what has gotten worse" thread, someone suggested "reading" as one of those things. I thought they meant the experience of reading, but maybe they also meant people's ability to notice specific words/sentences and process them instead of ignoring them in favor of an assumption.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Half?!
You are full of shit omg.

Most of people told you that even as a springboard you are shooting yourself in the foot because you consider NLPs good characterization.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Precisely. An anon above mentioned "reading" as something that got worse with time assuming it was the people who answered who couldn't read but it seems it was less them who have an issue with reading and more the person who asked about using AI in the first place... Even if it's just "as a springboard for ideas", that's still Not Writing as writing involves trying to have those ideas for yourself in some way and quite often struggling to find them. It's part of the process. Delegating that to a machine IS refusing to partake in something that is part of the general process of writing. It shouldn't be this hard to grasp, lmao.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, it seems that writer anon has less reading comprehension. Most people were positive just recommended against overusing bots in a long run.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. Characterization is kinda the whole point of writing.... Like, if you're going to a bot for characterization then you might as well go to the bot for the whole goddamned story. Like, characterization is literally why we're here..... You don't learn to write characterization from a bot, you learn it by watching/reading the source material and writing. again. and again. and again. and again.

You know what "learning" characterization from a bot does? It makes for a shit writer.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Characterization is kinda the whole point of writing

If you're talking about stories, certainly it takes up a good part of it, but I wouldn't say it's the whole point.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, yeah it is. Unless you're technical writing or writing non-fiction. Most people in fandom are here because characters resonated with them. We're not here for the plot; we're here for specific characters. That's what fanfic IS: put that guy into situations. The situations don't really matter, it's what the situations can tell us or let us explore about his character. The character is the whole point.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Just because fic contains characters (and often shipping such characters) doesn't mean fic isn't written for other reasons.

Sometimes people want to add to the lore, and the characters only make up a part of it. Just because you're not interested in reading it doesn't mean people don't write it.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes they do, which is why I said "most". But notice the preponderance of coffee shop AUs, highschool AUs, royalty AUs, soulmate AUs, zombie AUs, etc etc. The VAST majority of fanfic is not adding to the plot or playing in the world with OCs. IT'S THE CHARACTERS.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

And from the very fact that this person wants their characterization to be well done, they consider their characters to be an integral part of their story. If they were doing OCs and just playing in the world, why bother having an AI create your characterization for you? They obviously need the characterization. They just don't want to put in the work. Which... that skill is kinda the point...

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... Do you need stranger's blessings for you to use AI, or did you have your heart set on telling everyone that you made your story with AI with the expectation of people praising you for doing that??

Do whatever you need to do to help you to write, the process is your business - but if you're looking for approval then I would honestly advise you to spend time actually practice writing instead.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

This. The way this person writes here, they've already used it or decided to use it. They either wanted affirmation for their decision, or were trolling to outrage people. They absolutely were not looking for arguments pro- or con- to help them make a decision. I kinda want to know their writing pseud so I can block it.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

You’re doing the writing equivalent of tracing. Maybe it’s good practice, but the art still isn’t your own.

Re: Character AI Anon from the other day

[(Anonymous)]

Of the 4 responses, 1 can be read as thinking you weren't writing anything. That's 25% of a small sample, not 50%.