[ SECRET POST #092 ]

[grayout.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #092 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 61 secrets from Secret Submission Post #014.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Sunday, April 8th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: Here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Agh, let me rephrase that. I'm not angry at you, you can have your opinion. It's just saying you hate gay people, or that you agree with that secret to an extent just because someone is acting campy? Perhaps you need to watch your words, because I don't think he'd like hearing that very much :\ But I didn't mean to attack you or patronize you.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

What I personally get really annoyed by are the people that change into stereotypes and then turn around and say "my sexuality shouldn't matter" for rights and all that stuff. I mean yes, I'm all for gay rights, but when people are going IM GAY, THIS IS HOW I AM LOLZ IM FLAMBOYANT NOW GIVE ME RIGHTS and everyone's all "... whoa," then...

Gah, I don't know. I'm not saying that people should conform, but a little compromise can be a good thing? I wish people could just tone down the blatantness and just... you know, blend in, without feeling like they're giving up their "identity." But then I'm probably biased 'cause I pass for 100% straight 90% of the time. >>"

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Well, you're not in their position so you are not one to say. I'm a lesbian, but I don't go around parading it. However, someone doing that doesn't bother me because I'm not a douche.

I mean yes, I'm all for gay rights, but when people are going IM GAY, THIS IS HOW I AM LOLZ IM FLAMBOYANT NOW GIVE ME RIGHTS and everyone's all "... whoa," then...

You do realize that this is what white people say about the difference between blacks and the 'n' word? "Oh they're fine if they dress and act like us! But if they start wearing baggy clothes and talking funny, I don't like them"

It bothers you because you're letting it bother you. I understand you don't hate it or anything, but you definitely sound intolerant.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

I didn't say I was bothered by them actually being flamboyant, I said I was bothered by the fact that I think doing that and then turning around and going ACCEPT US!!!! when they know people won't is kind of... strange.

And this is why I said "I wish people could just tone down the blatantness and just... you know, blend in, without feeling like they're giving up their 'identity.'"

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

I understand what you said once you started elaborating and apologize for any vindictive tone I had; however, if they want people to accept them even if they know people won't, there's really nothing wrong with that. It takes a lot of courage to do that, no matter how annoying you may act in doing so.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know. I was just saying like, it'd be a lot easier for everyone if they could just meet halfway somehow, but it doesn't seem to be working. =/

No bad feelings. :D

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Sometimes this stuff makes you defensive and you begin to sound a bit angrier than you really are. I guess that's what's going on with me at the moment, and it's because of how the discussion was started. Thanks for being understanding.

I agree, I wish people could just be comfortable in their own skins. But that's not always the person's fault :[

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

♥ Its okay, I mean...it is a sensitive subject that people rarely actually open up about...mostly because nobody wants to make anyone hate them or get anyone mad... (at least...in my case? ;-; I absolutely hate losing friends.)

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, way to generalize white people.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Hey moron, I was giving example of white people who say that exactly. I could give an example of women who hate men, or men who hate women, or gays who hate straight people. It doesn't mean I'm saying it applies to everyone.

[longlongwaytogo.livejournal.com]

Most of the gay people however, are not like this. That is a personality type/behaviour pattern, not their sexuality. Which is what the secret claimed it was hating. Gay people, not flamboyant homosexual men who twirl around in a tutu squealing in a high pitched voice and fixing everyone's makeup. (which, I personally don't find *that* annoying)

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

ugh thank you for being sane A PRUSUUUU

[longlongwaytogo.livejournal.com]

I just reread my post and it sounded like I was saying that the secretmaker was saying that they just hate the stereotype of the pink makeup guy. When I actually think the secretmaker was saying they hate gay people (the sexuality, and gay people in general), ie, including the stereotype, but all sorts of gay people as well. Since that's what "I hate gay people" means. They didn't say "I hate flamboyant gays".
Just clarifying...
Heh, and I personally think that I'm quite sane.

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't hate gay people at all, far from it. ♥ Its just the way that people have to suddenly change. I mean...I'm really anti-camp or whatever, thinking that someone has to act a certain way to fit in with others...Maybe its just me, but really, I don't like to see people change themselves to fit in.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Oh I know that. And to an extent I agree that it can be annoying when a friend changes who they are to fit in to something. But it doesn't apply just solely to gay people, and this originated from attacking 'campy' gay men, which felt like it was alienating them. I don't agree with changing yourself to fit in, but I can understand people changing shallow aspects of themselves to fit in. Just because I understand it it doesn't mean I enjoy or admire it, but I don't let it bother me.

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

*nods* It doesn't apply to attacking 'campy' gay men, I'll say the same thing to someone who starts listening to a certain sort of music just to fit in, or clothing, just to fit in. A friend of mine does not have the body type to wear the clothes she does but she does anyways, because everyone else does; instead of finding clothing that could look stunning on her...with her unique body shape...it makes me sad to see people try and force things upon themselves just to fit in.