[ SECRET POST #6323 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6323 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 40 secrets from Secret Submission Post #904.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/lZtGau0.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I was going to frame this within my experience of TS (I will admit I'm not a fan of hers), but I'll keep it short. Let's just be honest/real about who she's been out here for.

She's a savvy business woman and has marketed herself on a particular experience of "American Girlhood". What her true thoughts and intentions are, I won't bother guessing.

I'm sorry she's disappointed you in this way, OP. There's plenty of other artists out here making music about their bi/own LGBTQ experiences, and others who do show allyship, so I hope you can enjoy their music too.

signed,

finding out about Matt Healy, via TS, as a WOC (black/mixed) what he was about, and realizing I really can't bop to The 1975 like I used to. I skip their songs now :/

[feotakahari]

Swift’s done characters before who weren’t just herself.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah-- I forget where I saw it, but I remember someone saying, with regards to TS and other female songwriters, that people always assume when a woman writes a song it's autobiographical, they never just think it's made up. But like... why wouldn't it be? Songwriting, like any other writing, is creative-- sometimes you draw from your experiences, but you also get to make up characters!

[(Anonymous)]

Honest to god as a fan who isn't in the fandom, I genuinely thought this about most of the songs on the album. Does anyone think she killed a guy and ran to Florida with Florence Welch?

I was really surprised to come across an "explanation" of how the album was supposed to be about destroying Joe Alwyn (I mean I expected some sad songs about the breakup and Goodbye London didn't disappoint) but it was in fact about Mattie Healy who I don't even know she ever even acknowledged dating. He showed up on the first days of the Eras tour and one of the few interviews I watched with Taylor sounded like she'd gotten to know Travis Kelce for quite a while before the tour started. Sounds to me like the old days of her being paired with anything that had a y chromosome within 50 feet of her.

Also, she's 34. She revisited a relationship from 15 years ago on her last album, she can write songs about shit that's happened outside of the last few years in her life.

[(Anonymous)]

Are her songs *always* about specific real-life people or does she make things up as well? Before thinking she'd out someone I'd assume that line is fiction to drum up interest in the song. Outing someone against their will seems a very stupid thing to do for someone so carefully in control of their public image, especially with her fanbase.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

i feel like the sentiments expressed in this secret edge a step too far into TS conspiracy theories. because if you look hard enough, you will find every bad thing you're looking for even if it isn't actually there.

[(Anonymous)]

That's... a lot of research you've done to justify your outrage over one line.

But then, I guess that's par for the course in the Swiftverse. Love her or hate her, either way it ends in weirdly obsessive behaviour.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, you have a point, but also, after the big public deal she made about being an ally and wanting to be more political etc, turning around and dating someone who (again, publicly) likes trump *is* a facepalm move

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe a lot of her songs aren't strictly autobiographical. Maybe all those times she said that a lot of what she writes isn't strictly autobiographical, and that she takes inspiration from a lot of places, she meant it. I know, what a wild concept.

Considering you care enough about both her personal life and this song in particular to have formulated the opinion in this secret, it shouldn't take more than an extra moment of reflection to determine that this song is probably not based on any one particular guy.

She says "the decades would play us for fools" which already suggests this is a predominantly fictional scenario, given the timeframe she's working with. She says, "I crashed into you like so many wrecks do / Too impaired by my youth to know what to do," so if she were talking about a specific guy it would have to be one from quite a while back; Calvin Harris or earlier, I would say. I'm sure people wanna think, "You needed me, but you needed drugs more" is about Matty, and hey, maybe that one specific line is inspired by him, that's possible. But it's pretty clear that the line, "Changed planes and lovers and outfits and rules / All to outrun my desertion of you" isn't about Matty.

It seems pretty clear that this songs is an amalgamous blend of different men and experiences, likely including some entirely fictional elements.

[(Anonymous)]

"And you saw my bones out with somebody new / Who seemed like he would've bullied you in school" is from the prospective of the ex, not the reality that the new boyfriend is a bully.

[(Anonymous)]

1. I’d assume that the song is fiction before assuming she’s outing someone. I say this as someone who doesn’t like her and is aware she has a reputation for basing entire albums on one or two exes.

2. Stop putting celebrities on pedestals.

[(Anonymous)]

I went and read the full lyrics to this song to understand the ire in this secret, and...OP, I'm sorry, but I kind think you're looking for a reason to be offended. It comes across as wistful, like she wonders what it would have been like for them to work things out, and wants him to wonder the same. It doesn't come across at all as if she looks down on this guy for being bi; it's just a fact about him. And put in context with the rest of the lyrics, the "he would have bullied you" line seems as if it's meant to be unflattering to her, as this is specifically someone that the subject of the song would hate to see her with.

Beyond that, however, you do know that...LGBT people can be shitty, right? That as a bi person, if I'm a bad partner and get broken up with, my ex can be sore about it and dislike me and speak ill of me specifically, and it doesn't make them not an ally, right?

[(Anonymous)]

As others have said: she'll be making up a character. That's basically what she did for Blank Space, it was an exaggerated caricature of herself that she made up from news articles about her. None of it was real.

I'm not a fan of hers but it would be far more likely for this to be the case with a lot of her songs, it won't be just one ex but an amalgamation of them.

Celeb worship is fucking weird but celeb hate is just as weird imo, both sides will reach to the heavens to make a famous stranger they like out to be a God Among Men or Literally Satan when they're just... people.

[(Anonymous)]

People who are acting shocked and/or rolling their eyes at fans relating taytay's lyrics to her real life - you do realize that she has spent YEARS actively encouraging her fans to do that, right?

[(Anonymous)]

And her fans are dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

Who's acting shocked? Nobody ITT is shocked. Everybody here is pointing out, very sensibly, that treating her songs as though they're factual accounts of one specific person or relationship is blinkered, presumptuous, and most likely incorrect. A fact which she herself has clearly stated (in gentler terms) on more than one occasion.

[(Anonymous)]

OP doesn't sound like a fan though. OP sounds like a conspiracy theorist with a hate boner for TS.

[hey_hey_hey]

What the hell did I just read?

[(Anonymous)]

Getting pissed at her because her boyfriend's dad is shitty on twitter is a level of invested that can't be good for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Also reeks of kin liability and guess who also was really fond of that (hint: starts with N, ends with azis).

[(Anonymous)]

no one is going to talk about how bad, on a craft level, the actual lyrics are? like that's just a weird and incoherent metaphor. a hologram is not a thing that suddenly stumbles/breaks into your space, unless she spent the rest of the song building up some kind of sci fi context? if she's trying to describe an intrusive mental image, there are better ways. think also the scansion is a bit clunky but depends on how it's sung I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I think it's fine. About half the songs in existence have at least one line I could say was clumsily written if I stripped the music and just took it at surface value. This song is my least favorite on the new album, so I'm not gonna defend it that hard, but calling it incoherent is a stretch. Also, while saying, "I think the lyrics are bad on a craft level," would be a fair statement, you stating it like a fact just because it's your perspective? Nah, miss me with that self-congratulatory, arbiter-of-good-art nonsense.

[(Anonymous)]

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So I guess I'm the only one who's like "Aw, the mystery ex is bi and it's No big deal? That's nice!"

[(Anonymous)]

Do you also believe she had a vivid dream about her daughter-in-law killing her for the money?