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What are some weird/particular hangups you have (or have seen people have) with certain topics in media? Especially when there are actually objectively worse things in said media you/they don't have an issue with.

Fits 3 very well because I'm currently reading a Baldur's Gate 3 fanfic and the author went on a rant in the author's notes about how they will NOT include any of the racism/slavery aspects included in the game and how the way the game deals with it was appalling etc etc... All while writing a Durge/Astarion (background Durge/Gortash) fanfic.

Like, come on. You're fine with mass/serial murders, torture, child abuse, sexual enslavement and assault (in Astarion's case), implied cannibalism and necrophila and ritualistic sacrifices but you draw the line at some characters being racially prejudiced? With the argument the "Oh, murder is something more nuanced, you might have to kill in self defense but there's literally no excuse for racism". As if someone like Lae'zel, who grew up in a racially segregated cult like society had any more of a choice on how she was brought up perceiving races "lesser" than the Gith than the choice Durge had murdering tons of people? And there's character development connected to most people's racism in BG3 as long as they're not a villain, then they don't get any. Which brings me to Gortash- Gortash is a damn VILLAIN, look, I like the feral trash racoon as well but he's not a nice person and him being a slaver is literally one of the lesser issues with him in the grand scheme of things. And it's not that I absolutely HAVE to have any racism or slavery in this fic, I don't really care about it but it's just a weird line to draw in this minefield of other distasteful tropes.

The fic itself is fairly enjoyable so far (liked the concept behind it) and I'll keep reading it for now but that rant almost put me off it because, damn, girl, that's some weird priorities you got there in your murder hobo romanticising fic.

I know very little about this game but out of curiosity, on which side of the sexual assault paradigm does the sexy white haired elf vampire man fall? I know he's several of my friends' little meow meow and I'm just honestly curious but I don't remember this topic coming up in the wiki I read?

It's complicated. So he basically was compelled to seduce marks to bring back for his vampire master, which can absoutely be seen as more than questionable consent for him (seeing as he doesn't really want to do it but is compelled to) but also kinda for his victims because he uses seductuion/sex to lure them to their deaths, even if he doesn't do it willingly.

Then if you romance him, he seduces the player character primarily because he thinks he secures himself some protection this way, and it only later turns into actual feelings which he is very conflicted about, given his history. Then later on, if he's romanced you can talk him into a threesome with some prositutes and he's reluctant but agrees, but the description of the scene basically says he mentally checks out during the act so... not too great. He has a very skewed view on sex/intimacy in general.

And later, if you help him ascend as a vampire overlord, he basically turns into this super domineering asshole who is implied to be no better than his former master so yeah, that's ... sketchy as well.

it's giving reverse 'i can excuse x but I draw the line at x' LOL

Not even reverse, it's literally "I can excuse torture, murder and SA but I draw the line at mild mentions of racism".

That Interview With A Vampire fanzine that didn't want any fic or art sith blood or violence or problematic elements. (Why were they watching the show?)

How dare you say 18th century English men in the Caribbean approved of slavery?!? From Our Flag Means Death (I don't so much blame them if they only watched the show and hadn't gotten to that century in their middle school social studies class yet)

Get this Woke Shit out of my scifi that has criticized/satarized my actual political views for decades! (Xmen, fallout, star trek, warhammer, judge dred, the little goes on and on)

I'm always astounded whenever someone insists that it is problematic or even outright unacceptable to depict instances of (thing) in fanworks when the original media contains (thing). It happens constantly.

My weirdest example was having (completely respectful, realistic) descriptions of atomic bomb survivors censored (without my consent) in a submission for a fanzine about a character who grew up in Japan in the immediate aftermath of WWII, in a fandom for a media franchise about the morality of war and nuclear power, that contains both graphic and non-graphic instances of violence, torture, SA, etc.

I'd have been happy to warn for it if requested? It's not like the games come with specific warnings though? It still blows my mind to this day.

I generally am always baffled about people who are clearly antis who are also into certain fandoms that should logically be on their shit list. Like, I've seen people throwing tantrums about ~problematic~ ships in Genshin Impact (the problematic ships in question being non-blood related pseudo incest or age differences/"minor coded" characters in ships) while at the same time having icons of 2ha characters. Like, the fuck?

2ha is so problematic that I dropped it. Idk who's the minor, I'm guessing Collei. The pseudo incest wank is very entertaining, especially with Tignari/Cyno introduction.

Oh just about any of the mid-size character models has been assumed to be "actual literal minors" by antis by now. And the pseudo incest is also ridiculously common, be it Kaeya/Diluc, Tighnari/Cyno, Zhongli/Xiao... the list goes on. It's hilarious and pointless. And the funny thing is that 2ha has all those topics (pseudo-incest, age gaps etc.) in abundance and revels in it so I always have to wonder if they just found a random picture they liked and use as their profile pic or if they're seriously dumb hyporites.

da but people getting up in arms over non-blood-related pseudo incest has always been weird to me because almost every time I've seen that happen it's been in a canon where it's pretty clear in canon itself that the characters don't think of each other as siblings in any way, it's the fandom that's projecting "these characters grew up together/knowing each other so they MUST think of each other as family!" onto them. It's like they can't comprehend that people can know each other since childhood or even live under the same roof without automatically inserting a family dynamic into the relationship.

It's especially funny in Genshin because different translations give diff meanings. So Diluc and Kaeya are brothers in English only, out of all 10+ languages.
nayrt

The English translation team does a pretty bad job in various areas (especially when it comes to stuff like this) that some people have speculated if there are actual antis on the TL team lol

I think the last option.
Huh, I almost forgot about Zhongli Xiao.

I have one myself. I don't like fake phone numbers in TV and movies starting with 555. To me it's like a big neon sign saying THIS IS ONLY A TV SHOW. I like to lose myself in the idea that the show is really happening and this distracts me from it.

Maybe it would help to think of the 555 but as not being literal/diegetic. The character isn't actually saying 555, it's just being "translated" that way for convenience, so to speak. The same way as if you have a movie set in a fantasy world with no Earth languages but all the characters are speaking English onscreen.

It's a necessary weevil, though: just ask folks who got harassed to shit and back because they happened to have a number like 867-5309...

My biggest one is this: Torture. Doesn't. Work. We knew this hundreds of years ago, we know it now, we'll know it in the future. We'll ignore that we know it because torture working as an effective form of learning the truth is both emotionally satisfying and artistically/ethically interesting. But it's not effective! So it bothers me no matter the ambient level of violence in the media or the violence of the torture.

The weird bit is that if characters use torture and *think* it worked but actually their intel is flawed or contradictory the media doesn't bother me. The torture isn't real but the idea that it's effective could be, you know?

I have a very specific one: if a character was abused by a parent and cuts ties with said parent, but they have a sibling or siblings who are still with the parent and they assume that those siblings are going to be fine and not abused because the parent "likes" those siblings. It's even worse if they're bitter towards the siblings for being favored. I can accept it if the escaped sibling is at least sad about leaving the others behind and hopes they'll be okay, but not if it isn't addressed or is treated as a wholly good thing.

The first time I noticed it was in the book "The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue." Good thing it was remedied a few years later when the left-behind sibling got his own book and it was shown that surprise, his dad abused him too, and original book's MC admitted he'd been wrong. The author of those books has been cancelled for other "problematic" things in them (most of which I don't find problematic, but ymmv) but that never came up as one of them, even before the reveal of the left-behind siblings book.

There was some weirdness about Will/Hannibal in Hannibal from some people... due to the age gap. They are both adults, their actors were 38 and 48, respectively, when the series started, and I believe the characters in the series were supposed to be of similar ages. But apparently Hannibal gaslighting Will, Hannibal carrying out other psychological manipulations as Will's psychiatrist and elsewhere, Hannibal killing people (including someone Will cared about in front of him), Hannibal feeding parts of the murdered victims to others in the guise of haute cuisine, Hannibal stabbing Will, Hannibal framing Will for murder, etc. were much less of a problem for these people.

This reminds me of the comments on an Instagram post I found earlier this month. It was one of those Reddit AITA carousel things, and the older partner was not only partying recklessly but was lying about it to the younger partner. In the midst of all that, someone commented that the big problem was the 18 year age gap (older partner being 58, the younger being 40).

DA

I get the impression that the retellings in this thread manage to be a lot more amusing than seeing people express these opinions in apparent seriousness.

If you ever watched Short-Circuit, there's a scene where the robot is trying to follow a recipe, but knows absolutely nothing about how to cook, so he does things like attempt to fry hash browns without taking them out of their box, first, and inspect his pancake batter for lumps, whisk it so hard that batter goes freakin' everywhere, and then proceed to do that again because there are still lumps.

Like ... yeah, if you paid zero attention to WHY something might be bad, and just applied a generic checklist of "possible relationship red flags" to the thing between Will and Hannibal, it might ding the age difference and never think to specify that brutally slaughtering and eating people was not ethical behavior. But hopefully a real, live person would bring a little more judgement and wisdom to their character assessment? Because it's dangerously blind not to.

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