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If it's the artist, I kind of agree. She changes Soi Fong from a strong woman with a dedicated exterior and cold sense of duty into a whiney little uke that's waiting for her seme to return to her. People, I'm a huge YoruSoi shipper, but she has a LIFE outside of Yoruichi, you know :|

exactly. i was never really certain how to word it, but that's why.

I just looked at her other art though (as advised from the person below) and she seems not to give off that vibe in any of her other art of them? I guess it's just that one that I'm not so big on. it makes sense concerning the thematics between yoruichi and soi fong, but it's not the way I like to see the pairing on a personal level. It's good art, though. I just like art portraying that she's [soi fong] an established and competent woman outside of yoruichi and that she's not always waiting for the loving seme to come home :( reminds me too much of yaoi with strap-ons.

I'm not too sure I see the 'whiney little uke' in the pictures the artist has drawn of them, personally =/;;; I know it's very much a self opinion thing since art is all down to different people's views but... I can't see it myself.

If we're talking THAT image in particular, I'm 90% sure that there's a reason behind the 'uke'-ness.

I have my doubts that the artist would have done that intentionally, regardless.

Oh, I'm not saying the artist intentionally did it or intends to make Soi Fong look like that. It's just to me, I interpret it as that, because she just looks so vulnerable and emotionally dependent and has the cliche hugs-from-behind thing. She's a good artist, the anatomy is good and the colouring is good and all of that. I just don't like the portrayal of the characters.

I haven't seen much of her other stuff, so I'm only relying on that one picture.

Well, I know that particular picture was a commission, not her own stuff. Her other YoruSoi work never gave off that feeling to me at all and she's actually one of my favourite artists for the pairing, that's the only reason it struck me as so odd XD;;;;

If you get chance, look up some of her other work, just to see if your views stay the same or if I'm just being biased toward a friend. Can't hurt either way. Thanks for clearing up your view on it though :3

If it's a commission then it's more clear to me. I think the artist is good, but that picture definitely gives me the wrong vibe of the couple. But then again, everyone has different interpretations of the pairing, you know? I'm in love with it as an old flame relationship, something that can't be recreated but the feelings still linger; that way it's more bittersweet and romantic to me, I guess? But that's not how it is with everyone. I just see Soi Fong as a woman of duty, now, and Yoruichi as a woman who roams.

I just couldn't see Soi Fong clinging to Yoruichi in the present that way, now. That's too much vulnerability to expose to someone who left you. So it's not really dissing the drawing or anything, just..what's going on in it? XD I'm sure her other stuff is better if it's not as weepy and clingy. I mean, before Yoruichi left I could have bought something like that happening between them...but Soi Fong has changed and has priorities, now, above hot lesbian sex ;)

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I dislike the artist as well.

I prefer to see the pairing as well -- what it actually is and not the whole whiney girl waiting for someone to save her.

Plus, the artist herself really did something to me in the past I prefer not to speak of.

Aww, come on, you can't just say that and then not tell what it was!

The artist is a very good friend of mine and I'm inclined to call bullshit unless you elaborate. So share, plz. :P Otherwise, stop trolling.

Did that last part really need to be mentioned?

Hell, I'm not going to log out of my account to say this because I've got nothing to hide really.

The artist a good friend of mine too, has been for years. This of course makes me biased, but I can think of only a few areas that could be in reference to, othrerwise I point the finger of pointless troll. Or, it's something petty as hell.

I have to say either the last statement wasn't needed at all or you WANT to stir the shit.

It's funny how anonymous is apparently a way of skipping over the idea of general pride and dignity. But hell, this is the interwebs and it's all serious business.

but she has a LIFE outside of Yoruichi, you know :|

Okay, are we reading/watching the same canon? Lmao. She really doesn't. XD That's an integral part of her personality - her fixation with her kitty sensei and the resulting drama and wangst it causes (I'm not referring to the possibility of her being in love with Yoruichi, by the way - I'll leave the shipping wank to someone else). She wasn't designed to be a three dimensional character, as I'm sure the mangaka himself would even tell you. Every Bleach character has a niche they fill, and only a lucky few are developed beyond that.

Yeah, Soi is a captain and a bitchninja and does a few things OTHER than obsess over Yoruichi, but you could count those things on one hand. Sometimes characters aren't exactly designed to be realistic and "whole", you know? If Soi were, she'd be one of the main characters.

I agree with your dislike of that particular artist's portrayal of Soi, though. Soi is definitely not a weak character. That... is like turning Byakuya into a simpering tearful uke. DO NOT WANT.

We are reading/watching the same canon, and she does have a life outside of Yoruichi. She takes her job very seriously, and this could be because of her brothers' deaths in the line of duty. She has a fixation on Yoruichi, but that doesn't mean that's the only person or thing she ever thinks about, and it doesn't mean she'd be keen on Yoruichi constantly seeing her as so weak if chances are she can't get the kitty to settle down and come home with her.

I understand where you're coming from; her character was primarily designed to be a portion of Yoruichi's backstory, rather than one on a whole, so she does revolve around her a lot. Her personality and life, however, do not revolve around the woman. Loving someone (however way which soi fong loves her) does not mean they are your life, especially when you haven't seen them for long. She's obsessed and fixated, but is also bitter. She didn't show weakness until she was already worn out, but I suppose one moment of crying can make you look like a wimpering uke to everyone :|

I gotta say, if one drawing can ruin a pairing for someone, they must never go onto the internet. Jesus christ, there's OOC shit of every pairing.

OH NO, SOI FONG IS SHOWING A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS. IT COULD NEVAR HAPPEN. SOI FONG IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE HUMAN.

As long as it's not some FPREG, I think you're really in the clear and that's just blowing it out of proportion. I mean, really.

I never said the drawing ruined the pairing for me, so.

The general sentiment of getting up in arms about one fanart that's maybe OOC (though I don't think it's really all that OOC) is still pretty stupid, whether it's how you feel or not.

I don't think it's that OOC, either, I was just explaining how the scene wasn't how I interpreted the portrayed characters. I even said to the artist's friend that it was actually good art, and it had to do with my interpretation of the pairing rather than an actual objective truth about the art. There was no getting up in arms, there was discussion.

I also am not the secret-maker nor am I attacking the artist, or implying the art is bad. So please, don't make a remark to me about a pairing be ruined for me by one art when I never said it was so, and don't inform me when something is stupid that..I didn't even do?

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Ergh, allow me to rephrase since I think the opinion of hating a couple because of one artist/piece of art is kind of...dumb and projecting personal feelings on to a fictional thing...

when I said she 'changes', i meant 'changed', in that picture, in my eyes as I explained below. I fully expect to get raped up the ass for this opinion because this is

fandomsecrets and all anyone ever does here is rape everyone else with their e-cocks.

By posting your opinion publicly you're inviting anybody to respond in whatever way they want, and by responding to them you're inviting them to continue. If you feel you've made your point and have nothing else to say on the matter, and don't want to continue being "raped up the ass," nobody is forcing you to comment.

By replying to your argument, I'm doing just that; inviting anyone else to respond however they feel is necessary.

I don't see at all how that pic really changes any character. Though I can't be sure, because I don't know the context the picture is supposed to take place in, it looks to me as though something similar to Yoruichi leaving again is happening, since neither of the two look happy and Soi is clinging, holding Yoruichi back.

Also, I'd like to agree that hating a fandom because of a single piece of artwork or fiction is ridiculous. No matter what a person's opinion of a character or pairing is, somebody else is bound to have one that's different. Get over it. And if you can't, then don't put yourself in a position where you will be exposed to these pieces.

That said, if you disagree with my interpretation of the picture, fine. If you feel the need to dispute it with me, fine, but know that I likely won't care and won't respond. If you agree, fine. It really doesn't matter. Unless Tite Kubo himself comes out and says, "hey, that fan-art is wrong," and then proceeds to describe in great detail the characters of Soi Fong and Yoruichi, and their relationship, nothing is set in stone.

If I come off as offensive, sorry. But to me, anime is an escape. And making such a huge deal about it is not what escapism is about. Enjoy it in your own way, and if someone else enjoys it a different way, let them and move on. Serious business like this is why I generally tend to dissociate myself from fandoms.

And that's my three cents. Yeah, that's right. Three, not two.

By replying to your argument, I'm doing just that; inviting anyone else to respond however they feel is necessary.

Note: I was being purely sarcastic about that comment, and I really don't mind opening discussion on this sort of thing. really, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Now that that's settled....

I don't see at all how that pic really changes any character. Though I can't be sure, because I don't know the context the picture is supposed to take place in, it looks to me as though something similar to Yoruichi leaving again is happening, since neither of the two look happy and Soi is clinging, holding Yoruichi back.

The art is good. The pic isn't entirely OOC, because it's not like Soi Fong doesn't have attachment to Yoruichi. Perhaps people are misinterpreting what I am saying, concerning the fact that I'd have to be blind to not see that Soi Fong is attached to Yoruichi and hurt that she left her in the first place. It's just the portrayal. I'd feel the same if I were looking at, let's say, a Naruto/Sasuke art and it was Naruto clinging to Sasuke. Sure, he never wanted him to leave, but to me I just wouldn't enjoy the clinginess portrayed in the picture because of personal taste. The picture is a good picture, I'm not trying to kill it with fire.

Also, I'd like to agree that hating a fandom because of a single piece of artwork or fiction is ridiculous. No matter what a person's opinion of a character or pairing is, somebody else is bound to have one that's different. Get over it. And if you can't, then don't put yourself in a position where you will be exposed to these pieces.

Well, obviously the anonymous commenter had some personal vendetta or something against the artist, and is projecting their own feelings on to a pairing, which is pretty, um, I would say unhealthy but that's basically normal for the internet mindset. But yeah, the art is actually good so even if I don't like the position the characters are in in the picture, I'm not going to be put off of a pairing. Besides, YoruSoi is too awesome :B

That said, if you disagree with my interpretation of the picture, fine. If you feel the need to dispute it with me, fine, but know that I likely won't care and won't respond. If you agree, fine. It really doesn't matter. Unless Tite Kubo himself comes out and says, "hey, that fan-art is wrong," and then proceeds to describe in great detail the characters of Soi Fong and Yoruichi, and their relationship, nothing is set in stone.

Rofl, wow. I never said it was a wrong interpretation of their relationship. To quote myself above, "I think the artist is good, but that picture definitely gives me the wrong vibe of the couple. But then again, everyone has different interpretations of the pairing, you know? I'm in love with it as an old flame relationship, something that can't be recreated but the feelings still linger; that way it's more bittersweet and romantic to me, I guess? But that's not how it is with everyone. I just see Soi Fong as a woman of duty, now, and Yoruichi as a woman who roams"

Yeah, I'm reallllyy bashing the art and saying that it's the most wrongest portrayal of how Yoruichi and Soi Fong REALLY are forever and ever!!

And no, you're not coming off as offensive, just really defensive. I never stopped anyone from enjoying the art, or enjoying the pairing in a way I don't enjoy it. You're kind of the one making this serious business, and I'm sorry if I offended you over this.

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