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Or describe the circumstances where you believe that turning soft might be in character.

And Batman sat with Ace all night, holding her hand, until the end.

Depends on what you mean by soft, but Sauron. Like, I can fully buy into him and Melkor being super into each other because they thrive on the same evil things. But other than that, any softness is entirely faked. If I see full-on softness and totally ignoring that he's supposed to be a devil-figure, I'm going to side-eye things.

General Hux. He's totally cool with destroying entire planets. He's not going soft.

Azula. Just. No. Also her dad.

This is not directly related to the 'characters who would never turn soft' bit but I read this on reddit and I just really need to ask someone who knows more about Sauron than I do:

Was he really going to be a cat in, like, the very very first draft of the story? Long before most of the world was even built/lore was created? Have you heard anything about this?

(and because I'm sure someone will think I am trolling or making fun: no, I'm not. this is a genuine question.)

Yes and no. It wasn't Sauron per say. But one of the stories that eventually he was the main villain in (Finrod vs. Sauron and then Luthien shows up and kicks his ass) originally had a giant evil cat-creature named Tevildo. The thing is, it wasn't exactly a cat per say. Tolkien did his own version of certain things. We have a vampire that is nothing like other vampires and we have wolves/werewolves that aren't like other werewolves. And then we have the spider-creatures that are more like Lovecraftian creatures than straight-up spiders. So Tevildo both was and wasn't a cat. And it wasn't Sauron per say, it is just that Sauron eventually takes that role in the story.

AYRT. Oh, that's cool! I had no idea. (I'm a pretty casual fan.) Thanks so much for explaining! <3

Tolkien rewrote the different stories of the history of Middle Earth many times over his lifetime. The official version is in the Silmarillion, which he gave his son permission to publish after his death. But his son has also published lots of the different versions and the evolution of the stories.

Part of it was that Huan the hound is part of the story, and Tolkien originally was thinking a dog vs. cat myth. But the story evolved.

I respect that Hux's face turn was entirely motivated by spite!

Azula, though, I think is far too young to be definitive about her future.

I like the idea of a face-turn from spite. It just feels OOC for Hux to me. He was all about the First Order. He genuinely believed in it. I just can't see him ever helping the Resistance, ever. He was First Order first, Kylo hater second, not the other way around.

Doflamingo from One Piece.

And a canon example: I was so disappointed when Kyoko's mother in Skip Beat! turned out to be soft and misunderstood. What a waste of great build up and e
source for Kyoko's abandonment issues.

I was SUPER disappointed regarding Kyoko's mom. Though she's still an incredibly shitty mom.

On the other hand...

I'm very interested now in Kyoko's dad and the whole spy thing. Amazing.

It's been a while since I read the arc, but I didn't feel Kyoko's mother was that soft or misunderstood despite her friend/coworker trying to cast her in a softer light.

I think it showed she was a complicated person and fucked up in her own right, who really failed Kyoko and acknowledged now that she was never a good mother and never would be. But it helped clean some of Kyoko's wounds to know her a little better, and while she can never expect much from her mother (outside of possibly monetary/legal support) now can be relieved to know her mother won't fuck things up for her.

Ayrt

I just think it would have been more interesting if it had been played straight rather than walking it back. More interesting drama, but also more interesting opportunities for Kyoko to grow.

I think the characters you can’t redeem are the ones that have no illusions. No doublethink, no arguments for why they’re actually helping people by hurting people, and full awareness that they’re causing suffering for their own gain.

I would have called Endeavor from My Hero Academia irredeemable, but the author disagreed. I suppose he’s welcome to that interpretation, but I think someone like that would just blame others for his failures.

Hannibal Lecter. You could definitely argue that he's soft for Will, and...sort of? In a way? I just mean that he's fundamentally malignant by nature and that won't ever change. A Hannibal who is non-malignant is like a cancer that makes the person who has it healthier.

In the tv show he's definitely soft for Will once Will has been proved to be Hannibal's equal. His whole thing is that other people are livestock, to be eaten whenever. Will proved himself to completely understand Hannibal, making him worthy of compassion and consideration. Granted, once Will does understand he also understands Hannibal's version of compassion and consideration, which most people wouldn't call soft.

Yeah, that's pretty much my point. Hannibal destroys the people he dislikes and the one(s) he loves. He's malignant by nature. His version of love is malignant.

Sort of, but not really. We've already seen that he couldn't destroy Will. He would absolutely allow Will to destroy them both. And maybe that's as soft as he gets, but it is soft, relatively.

I guess we disagree on the character. I would also firmly hold that he did effectively destroy Will. He turned Will into something that the Will of early S1 would have been horrified by. Even in the series finale, Will chose to take himself out with Hannibal, in the face of what he had become under Hannibal's influence.

Hannibal's a cancer in the shape of a man. The narrative itself even draws parallels between Hannibal's malignancy and the malignancy of various cancers.

I said in my initial comment that he is soft for Will, kind of, in a manner of speaking. But he is still a cancer. His fundamental nature cannot change.

Probably Dedra Meero from Andor. I kinda ship her and Syril, but I like my ships to be at least a tiny bit soft for each other, and I find it hard to imagine her being soft for anyone, least of all Syril. So I sort of ship it and I sort of don't, lol.

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