[ SECRET POST #6435 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6435 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 47 secrets from Secret Submission Post #920.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - someone reposting someone else's random non-secret comments (literally like just copied the text off a random thread) and constantly on about pheromones. I'm gonna assume this poster is just spamming/trolling now and delete all these secrets ].
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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

20 years ago was a different time, lol.

IIRC people also "warned" for any sexual content including het content since "explicit" rating tags didn't exist either? I remember seeing warnings for straight characters kissing

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who never went to university so wasn’t exposed to the same cultural awakenings as most of fandom, that slash warning was how I learned about heteronormative culture. I never used the warning again once I understood that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was homophobic. It was also normal and expected back then. Nowadays fandom at large realised that it was homophobic and doesn't do it anymore.

Am I missing something? I'm struggling to see what the secret is here. "Commonly accepted thing in the past was commonly accepted in the past" doesn't seem very noteworthy?

[(Anonymous)]

The secret here is that they did it and they wouldn't like to admit that they did it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

It's an actual secret, not an Unpopular Opinion(TM).

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - Touche.

[(Anonymous)]

That's because you forgot the part where "commonly accepted thing in the past is now considered homophobic and will likely garner a lot of criticism and accusations of homophobia by people who refuse to understand that things changed over time". It's right there in the secret, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Most fics still "warn" for slash (or het, or femslash, or whatever), if they're posted to websites running otw code. There's no functional difference between warnings and other category markers.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, there is definitely a difference. You can quibble whether it's a functional difference or not but conceptualizing something as a warning vs a tag is absolutely a meaningful difference.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a BIG difference between #slash or #femslash and "WARNING! THIS IS SLASH! THAT MEANS BOYS KISSING! AND HOLDING HANDS! IF THIS IS NOT YOUR CUP OF TEA, DON'T READ!"

[(Anonymous)]

And least you’re not me, who was so shocked when my teacher mentioned in a tangent that gay marriage should be legal and homophobia was bad that I wrote in my diary after school that day that I agreed with her but she shouldn’t be sharing her political opinions in class because it wasn’t her job and her supporting the gays might make some of my classmates uncomfortable!

[(Anonymous)]

Hahah hi, I didn't do that but in the late 90s (before I knew I was gay) absolutely made the "ugh homophobes/ chistians say homosexuality is a CHOICE but why would _anyone_ choose to live a second-class, lonely life..." argument. I really thought I was sticking it to the man!
It's wild how much has changed even throughout my lifetime

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, unless you were on a slash-specific mailing list, back in the day, yeah... you put the 'warning: boys kissing' up there. Was it homophobic that we were expected to? Absolutely. But as a gay guy who's been reading and writing fic on the internet for the past 25 years... it's not that big a deal. I 'warned' for slash on my m/m fics so that I wouldn't have homophobes coming into my inbox yelling at me.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, it was an annoying community norm (and not every community had it) but there was also a lot more open homophobia and warning them off was part of the reason. But I also very quickly got into a slash mailing list for my fandom and that was a big relief.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

and high five fellow 25 years in fandom gay fellow. those words did not flow, sorry.

did we think it was dumb and the nebulous entity known as "the audience" out there should get over it? of course we did! but we did it anyway. It was the era of internet CYA. I love love love that I can now tag so extremely specifically that either finding or avoiding your loves/hates is as easy as ticking a radio box or twelve.

[(Anonymous)]

Slightly ranty: people have ALL the options to tag in AO3 and they use it for tumblr tags. The amount of times I’m reading a fic and suddenly there is choking (!) or casual use of humiliation or feminisation… just tag it for fucks sake.

Anyway I came into about 25 years ago and I remember the inverse of that, I was part of a men’s sports fandom at the time and when people wrote het there was much angst over how it should be tagged lol.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... yeah, fandom was homophobic back in those days because *society* was homophobic. It would be wild for fandom to have somehow escaped that!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was a homophobic expectation. I don't think I'd call any individual author homophobic for doing it, though, not if the alternative is getting flamed.

(Admittedly, modern detailed tagging conventions make the warning redundant regardless of any homophobia that may or may not still exist. Your fic is clearly tagged as Blorbo/Glup Shitto, they're both known dudes, and you don't have any genderbending tags, so if someone needs an additional warning to realize this is M/M that's a them problem.)

SA

[(Anonymous)]

also look at me showing my age, nobody these days calls it "flaming" anymore

[(Anonymous)]

I am from that time (as a reader) and I did find it homophobic even back then. I didn't attack anyone over it but it did give me an internal "Urgh!" reaction.

[(Anonymous)]

Same - in 2006 I started reading and writing fic and was extremely clear on not warning for slash. That said, it was certainly an ongoing issue/conversation and I don't really judge OP; they've learnt better.