[ SECRET POST #6614 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6614 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

People call drag examining femininity? I don't get it, what's there to examine when there's a drag queen template for behavior and every single drag queen follows it?

[(Anonymous)]

SA To be clear I have no issue with drag, I'm just confused what it explores when the types of femininity that appear in 99.9% of drag are so comparatively narrow and rigid and defined.

[(Anonymous)]

I hear you, Anon - it’s such a fun art form and reading about it, I want to enjoy it, but when it’s all the same and just feels like it’s not even doing anything new or unusual with gender roles then what even is there. (And just typing that sentence makes me feel like a
TERF tbh, I am not a TERF, I just don’t get drag)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, exactly. It's like saying male bodybuilders 'explore masculine body types' or something which... I mean if you mean in the extremely narrow sense that they all aim to look extremely similar and extremely niche then yes, technically. But I wouldn't call the hobby 'exploring masculine body types' in general

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly the point. Drag is meant to explore hyperfeminity as it manifests in pop culture.

[(Anonymous)]

Is 'explore' being used here to mean 'blindly adopt'?

[(Anonymous)]

I think the intention is exploration through hyperbole.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's just me, but doing more of the same thing uncritically, with no point of view or statement to make, doesn't register as exploration or examination of anything to me.

[(Anonymous)]

So honest question. When you look at that screenshot, you see a blind copy of hyperfemininity? Rather than a gross exaggeration meant to draw attention to the absurdity of it?

[(Anonymous)]

I see people doing a performance that may once have started as critiquing hyperfemininity but have now moved on to copying each other and performing hyperfemininity in ways that have been very set and unoriginal for the past 20 years.

Let me put it this way: saying 'drag examines femininity' to me is like saying 'fanfiction examines literature.' I'm sure there are individuals out there that do that, and that at one point both of those things might have originated that way, but I would not say either of those things is broadly true any more.

Most of it is just fun and tropes and there's nothing wrong with it being just fun and tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

SA Like I said I have zero issues with drag, I just don't see why we must assign meaning to it when most of the people I know that do drag today are literally just like 'yay lets dress up and act ultra femme, it's fun to do and perform'. Same goes for assigning meaning and virtue to fanfic when most people are like 'yay lets write about Ganondorf plowing Link'

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get what you're saying, and that's cool. Of course it's a fun pastime and meant for entertainment. I'm not saying anyone must assign meaning to it.

[(Anonymous)]

So another honest question. Would you say that the source material has changed significantly in the past 20 years?

[(Anonymous)]

I think my point was missed: I don't feel that most drag performances are critiquing any source material at all any more, nor are they even critiques. It has moved on to become its own thing that enjoys hyperfemininity and is copying its own internal tropes just like fanfic has ABO and BDSM universes that aren't related to canons at all.

[(Anonymous)]

"copying each other and performing hyperfemininity in ways that have been very set and unoriginal for the past 20 years."

That's like mainstream drag? Or drag is that is the most visible I guess? I've seen very different types of drag, which explore queerness and idendity and not just hyperfemininity.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me put it this way: saying 'drag examines femininity' to me is like saying 'fanfiction examines literature.' I'm sure there are individuals out there that do that, and that at one point both of those things might have originated that way, but I would not say either of those things is broadly true any more.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you been to actual drag shows?

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve seen drag that I would say does that. Some people used to call it “genderfucking”. But yeah, not what I’ve seen of Drag Race.

[(Anonymous)]

Genderfuckery is fun, crossplay/cosplay is fun, crossdressing in general is broad and interesting... I've never seen "drag queen" stuff that isn't a very particular type of sassy ultra materialistic hyper fashion glitter catty femme performance though.

What sorts of non-sassy drag is out there? I'm way more interested in that

[(Anonymous)]

Drag examines femininity in popular culture, not everyday life. It's a send up of the appearances, attitudes, and behaviors of female pop celebs and divas. I think the samey-ness of drag comes from the sad fact that there are very specific societal expectations of women in those roles.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still confused what it's examining. It's parodying and copying, but where is the actual examination? Most of it seems to be uncritically happy to adopt the behaviors?

[(Anonymous)]

Would you agree that parody is a form of critique?

[(Anonymous)]

Parody that has something to say is a form of critique. There has to be a critical point of view, and it can't be 'this is fun and great.' Parodying something uncritically and declaring it fun and cool is just joining in.

If someone told me Drag Race is critique I'd lol