[ SECRET POST #6762 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6762 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[thewakokid]

I am A-OK with sailing the seven seas on general principal. I wanna make that much clear right off the bat.

But I am doubly ok with doing it if you still support the creators you like as you outline here. It's just common sense. The weaponization of "You can't criticize it until you experience it... Oh you experienced it and it was exactly the kind of dogshit you were expecting? Well, thanks for the money!" attitudes means it just makes sense.

Also I saw a quote once along the lines of "Taking from a resource without diminishing the reserves cannot be called theft" and that stuck with me. ESPECIALLY with the recent "actually, you're not buying games / movies / shows, you're renting access to them" bullshit. If paying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing. I count this as just simple tit-for-tat.

They have a moral right to try and get paid for their product and to try to get paid the maximum amount for the minimum quality... And I have a moral right to try and NOT get fucking robbed by taking a copy which does not prevent you from selling it to other people. May the best man win, I say.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. This is why "piracy is hurting the economy" is such a silly thing to say. People who pirate usually don't have the money to spend on entertainment (or it's not available in their countries) or they have money and they spend it on stuff they really like.
It's not really money lost because if they can people tend to pay for stuff they like and value (a good game, book, music, movie).
You're not doing it wrong, OP. A pirate who is wealthy usually do it the exact same way as you. Happy and safe sailing, mate!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand why not having the money to spend on a particular thing somehow makes it okay to pirate that thing. I'm not rich and there have been plenty of times where I haven't had the money to spend on an entertainment thing that I wanted. I didn't steal it, I saved up my money until I DID have enough to buy it because I wanted to support the creators so that they could make more things.

[(Anonymous)]

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I don't think anon is saying "its morally okay," they're saying "companies aren't losing out on potential sales because people with no money aren't potential buyers since they have no money to potentially give." Can't wring money from a person who has none

[(Anonymous)]

Studies have shown that people who pirate tend to actually spend more money on things. They try it, they like it, they buy it. They'll try something they never in a million years would have tried if they had to spend money first and end up loving it and buying All The Things.

The only thing that doesn't have the same trend is books.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not smart enough to know how to safely pirate games (besides using old emulators), but I definitely have played more games because of free demos than I would have if I didn't get that opportunity.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, you're doing it right. As intended? Maybe not, but right. I don't do this much with games since they can be a bit harder to pirate, but I do the same thing with books and shows.

[dragonofeternal]

Nope, not doing it wrong at all! In fact, you're in line with numerous studies about piracy. While it may seem backwards, people who go to the effort of pirating a type of media usually do so because they have a decent level of investment in it! Even if they don't buy every item they pirate, media pirates tend to be the people who ARE buying books, games, movies, music, etc already, and "piracy as trial" seems to be a pretty common theme.

[(Anonymous)]

Now that I am older and have more money, I tend to go the other way - I'll buy an ebook and if I like it, I'll pirate a copy so that it doesn't vanish on me. And if there's no legal way for me to watch a movie or TV show on the subscription services I pay for, then I'll pirate. I want to give creators my money, but I want to actually own the product!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel like pirating is fine if there's no legal way for you to obtain the thing.

I pirated a digital-only single from one of my favorite Japanese bands once because Amazon Japan wouldn't allow me to download it since my address wasn't in Japan. It was so stupid because I WANTED to buy it! And since it was digital-only, I couldn't even order a CD instead. I literally had no way to access it legally even though I wanted to.

[dragonofeternal]

Amazon Japan can be a pain like that! If you're ever running into that problem again, you can use tensobox to get a Japanese shipping address for free. I used it when I needed to purchase a digital giftcard for a Japanese streaming service that didn't accept foreign credit cards.

[dimity_blue]

Yeah, I've only ever pirated if the series/film/book isn't available at all. As soon as it is, I buy it as I'd rather have a legal copy. The legal copy is usually far better quality too, which is another plus.

[dragonofeternal]

Mood! Similarly, after my parents house burned down when I was in college, I pirated a bunch of the music and movies I lost in the fire. I think there's something to be said about continuing to have copies of things that you've legally owned. And I have gradually rebought basically everything that I bothered to pirate.... Sometimes multiple times XD *glances at my vinyl record collection*

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the sources and I love how that’s a Yukiko icon. Because pirating Persona as a teen led me to get a PSP and later a PS4 and collector versions and everything!

[dragonofeternal]

YEAHHHHH PERSONA!!! I also have a bunch of the special editions. It's great that they're starting to rerelease things on modern consoles after having them trapped in the PSP/PS3 remaster prison XD

Glad I could share some sources about how piracy impacts things~

[(Anonymous)]

No, I think you're doing it right. At least, if I view game piracy through the same lens as music piracy, where the people doing the most pirating are also the people spending the most money on music.