[ SECRET POST #6821 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6821 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/dvx0xtK.png

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean in fandom (with trans headcanons and/or how canon nonbinary characters are written in fic) or is this about nonbinary characters in original fic?

I find it annoying myself when authors seem to think all nonbinary people are the same, or if the way they write a headcanon feels OOC, but I don't know the character in this secret or what fandom/s or canons you're seeing this in, so it's hard to say if I've seen the same issue you're talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Sorry, rereading the secret I see you're talking about a specific fandom, I read it wrong. I may just lack context for the fandom. Still curious for where else you've seen this or more examples if you feel like sharing.

[(Anonymous)]

Nonbinary is often an awkward character label tbh, because all it's saying is ... not-binary. If a character is described to me as nb I don't know what to expect because it could be anything-but-binary. Describing a character as 'binary' tells you equally as much which is not much at all because binary gender can be expressed in a ton of ways too.

But people tend to just toss out 'nb' and I'm like 'yeah and...?' and they're like 'no theyre just nb that's the end of the description, you're supposed to be able to imagine their gender from that one word' and I'm like ???

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that bugs me is that a NB character/person could still be described as binary. Like I know a person who IDs as NB but they 100% present as a "normal" female woman. So NB really is a nothing label. It could be non-gendered, agender, gender binary presentation but not liking the labels, anything!

And before anyone comes at me for anything, I am 100% in support of people IDing however they want and have nothing against anyone who self describes as NB but still presents as typical of their assigned at birth gender. It's just a frustrating discussion for representation in media sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm enby (agender with minor dalliances in masc and fem once in a blue moon when the planets align and a rare flower blooms), but mostly "present" fem because I find dresses more comfortable alongside my disability. :|a This comment makes me wonder. I'm not really "presenting" so much as just. Wearing what is convenient to get in and out of around a wheelchair.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm NB but I don't bother to be out about it in person because I'm always going to look female. At the very most, with considerable effort, I could maybe get to butch woman. But what I really want is to be left alone and not have to perform anything, so I just deal with being gendered female.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people can ID (or they can ID characters, whatever) in any way they please and that's cool; I'm not the identity police.

But...I also don't understand all the labeling, because it just seems so irrelevant to me. Sometimes I wear men's clothes/shoes because they are dapper or natty or they're Americana workwear, which I love, sometimes I wear dresses that are cute, I've had sex with men and a few women, but I just don't feel a desire to proclaim any sort of gender status or orientation publicly, like, at all. If people want to try to assign some sort of label to me, I'm like a.) why?? and b.) wow, reductive.

Just don't get why people feel the need to announce this. Or make a list of their disabilities or neurospicy diagnoses on their Bluesky profiles or anything. I dunno, I just find it pointless and kind of odd.

Maybe I'm destined to be a hermit or something, because I don't really think building community based on labels adds anything to one's life experiences.

[(Anonymous)]

It is a complete nothing label because no person is actually 100% "binary". Nobody is the full 100% gender stereotype. To pretend you're special because you don't ~feel~ 100% male or female - congrats, you're just like everyone else. Nonbinary means nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

It's because nonbinary is frankly a vague and too broad of an umbrella term to really mean anything, unless someone specifies a specific label. (Ex. Agender, Androgyne, Transmasc or Transfem NB, etc.) Knowing a character is nonbinary makes me go, "okay, cool, what other traits about them do we need to know about?" since a lotta people seem to think it's a tell-all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Within 'binary' a character could be a binary trans man or binary trans woman so it doesn't exclude even that possibility.

It's not that the label non-binary has no meaning, it surely does. But it's like saying a character is 'a POC'... so are they black? Are they latino? Are they native american? Are they asian? You can't just leave it at 'POC' and expect a reader to have able to conjure a definite image of a character.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't help that a lot of people make "nonbinary" their entire non-descriptive personality because they dont have a lot of character traits otherwise.

[himejoshiheart]

yeah makes sense. I sorted my sealos by gender as a joke/to see my sealomimi gender ratio and two are nonbinary, but instead of shoving both in a 'nb' section i put one in both man and woman and put the other one in her own section (and honestly that was part of the funny anyhow)

nonbinary can be alot of things! it can be they/them genderlessness yes, but it can also be girl (kinda), boy (kinda), girl and boy at the same time, and even like. having a neutral gender with both male and female alignments and therefore using any/all pronouns despite getting your own place in the gender ratio

heck, the character in my current icon is nonbinary (or at least heavily implied to be) and he uses he/they pronouns

[(Anonymous)]

Siffrin is explicitly nonbinary if you play the game in Japanese and check the character profiles! Instead of listing pronouns like the English version, it lists the characters' genders/gender identities. Siffrin and Bonnie are both labeled "nonbinary," the English word in katakana.

Loop also says something about him being something most directly translated as "facing halfway towards male" as a replacement for knowing his pronouns on their first meeting.

[(Anonymous)]

If someone describes themself as "nonbinary" end of sentence, I assume the thing they're trying to communicate is "neither man nor woman; further details not relevant just this moment".

Unless context would make some other reading more plausible. Which happens sometimes. But usually not.

[(Anonymous)]

I've often chuckled to myself wondering how these types would respond to "genderqueer" - because the overlap of what you're describing and "qu**r is a slur how dare you" is strong.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, as someone in the "queer is a slur" camp (because it is, I've had it flung at me in violent ways growing up), I have no problem with labels like genderqueer because it's a self-reclaimed label. Identifying *yourself* as genderqueer isn't the same as calling *someone else* queer without their permission.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, no one should call you anything you don't want to be called, but I hope you don't tell others they shouldn't use "queer" at all because it's most emphatically not just a slur, but a term of self identification in continual use for close to a century at this point. The aids protesters in the 80s who carried "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" signs weren't reclaiming, they were just continuing the use. I had "lesbian" flung at me in violent ways growing up (they were half right) but I don't tell self identified lesbians that their identity is a slur and only a slur

[(Anonymous)]

Nope.

[(Anonymous)]

Lesbian was a slur. Gay was a slur. What tags do we get? Nothing? Homosexual was a slur where I grew up. Yes, these were all used as slurs. Gay = stupid or disgusting sissy of a boy, lesbian = disgusting gender traitor who'll rape you in the bathroom and locker room so shun her, girls.

[(Anonymous)]

There's no word for us that hasn't been a slur.

[(Anonymous)]

I use "nonbinary," because people are a lot more comfortable with it as a term, but I vastly prefer "genderqueer" for my actual gender identity. I'm AFAB and generally female-presenting, but sometimes I like to fuck with gender.

I had "gay" and "lesbian" thrown as slurs towards me in school, far more than "queer" ever was, but the words themselves are not slurs.

[(Anonymous)]

This is an unwinnable situation because if a nonbinary character is like Raine then they're stereotypical and that's offensive (spoilers it's actually not), and if they're any less androgynous then it's pointless to be nonbinary if you look at all like you have a gender (spoilers it's actually not)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Raine themself isn't a failure. The problem is with this fanfic writer assuming Raine represents a distinct gender. Other nonbinary characters can be different from them.

[scissorsevered]

Going off of this by saying that I also hate when people automatically assume non-binary characters to be AFAB, as if being nb is something for quirky females and that nonbinary AMAB = predator man trying to worm into queer spaces.