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[ SECRET POST #1067 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1067 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 325 secrets from Secret Submission Post #153.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 - ships it ], [ 1 - would hit it ].
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Is this in response to the original secret? I don't get it, what was rude about it?

Well, no, not really specifically aimed towards the secret, to be honest. It's just the culmination of all the hate I've seen recently around here towards Castiel/Misha and his fans. I just don't think there's any need. Take some of the other comments to this secret, for example.

I think a lot of the animosity comes from the fact that this comm is frequented by more Castiel/Misha people than anything else. While, sure, some people that aren't fans of his are rude and/or hostile, so too do some of the Castiel/Misha people not want to allow any negative talk of him whatsoever.

For instance, this secret isn't bashing fans of the character or anything, and yet the first response is someone calling the OP a troll, I'm sure for just disagreeing with them. There's also a bad dogpile mentality where people end up shouted, or 'spammed' down for not liking Misha or the character.

Seems very much like typical majority/minority conflict to me, with both sides guilty of wrongdoing.

Okay, fair enough if you don't like a character. But there's a difference between disliking and character and character-bashing. I'll admit straight up that maybe I'm just being biased when I say that spreading ~love~ (and funtiems, like the minions tend to do) should be far more desirable than spreading ~hate~ (i.e. Castiel's naysayers). Just let people like who/what they like and have fun with it.

I can see what you're saying. But, as a naysayer, I have to say that it's not that I like bashing, but that my love is being screwed with by the character. And also, what minions see as funtiems, other people see in a very different, non-fun light.

Likewise, I see what you're saying, and I'm sorry that your own enjoyment is affected by it all. It's difficult to see a solution to that other than to just try and avoid letting things escalate into wank.

IDK about anyone else, but I always try not to be rude, even when I'm going 'omg I find you all incredibly annoying/frustrating/creepy'. Sooooo IDK I guess I hope I don't come off that way ~~right off the bat~~.

I think that if it's not your intention to be rude, then fair enough. But with a lot of these comments I've been seeing, they definitely come across as rude.

If you find something annoying, then fair enough, though I guess it's just something you have to live with/look past/avoid as best you can. As far as I can tell, they all seem to enjoy themselves and I don't think they mean to be obnoxious in their behaviour, it's just how that comes across to a lot of people, unfortunately. It's just their way of having fun. ^_^ (And we're back to 'live and let live')

Oh for sure, haha, I'm not talking on behalf of the anons (THOUGH I MUST SAY, I FEEL A KIND OF VINDICATION FOR FINALLY NOT BEING THE LONE VOICE IN THE DARK), but for me, since I am apparently ~fandom secrets famous~ for these situations.

Whatever. They're all you.

Sessile, is that you?!

SOMEBODY CALL MY NAME?

Hahahaha, oh anons. <3

No, I am Spartacus!

As someone who read F!S daily, I personally applaud you for being vocal here (and under your name). I'm open about my dislike of Castiel/Misha on my journal, but I do admittedly sometimes get a tad more wanky than I want to put my name to around here, so I stay anon.

Nonetheless, dude, you are so not alone. :)

Yeah. What got to me was not so much being the only one who wasn't anon-- it was the fact that people were saying things like 'you are the only one' as though the fact that anons had been, and have been, saying it, makes them ~not count~. B|

What the anon said above me, I applaud you for at least expressing your opinion without hiding behind anonimity like a lot of others. And honestly, you do come across as one of the less wanky ones. And outside of Castiel discussions you seem more fun-loving (not that I stalk you or anything, heh, but I noticed your name in other comment threads), and your icon itself can attest to that :P

I get really frustrated with the whole "hiding behind anonymity" thing that people bring up. I don't think being anon is anything to be ashamed of-- we're not privy to their reasons for it, and even if we were, being anon SHOULDN'T WARRANT AN EXPLANATION. It's not some lesser form of communication, it doesn't make you, or your opinion, less valuable. oseseht :( leave anons alone, omg!!1

B| I try not to be wanky. It is hard sometimes, though. And seriously, I wouldn't be so >:| about everything if SPN as a show we're disappointing me as well, so fandom not backing me up on this very much/often just makes me feel worse, and then I have this SPN-bitter-haze that surrounds everything about it. D:

B| There is no fun in Steve/Tony fandom. It is all serious business.

Hey, okay, I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes about the anon thing. It's just the impression I get when the people who hate on Castiel/Misha often do it behind anonymity, it just creates (for me) the impression of pettiness and cowardice. Granted, this may not be the case at all, but it is the impression I get from it, which makes me a little resentful of it.

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Def. not alone. I just don't bother with using my username here anymore. I learned my lesson in the past, but great that you still have the bravery to do it;)

I've tried to explain that to people, having been anon at times myself. Sometimes you just don't want shit to follow you home. :|

I think it's cool that you can and do own up to your opinions, even if I disagree with them sometimes. So uh, props from over here.

Well, think about the situations the anons face when they're considering de-anoning. Myself, a vocal non-anon, am very well known for these sorts of things, have been accused of anon-puppetry to back up my opinions/claims, have been called a variety of names-- and I'm not really saying anything outrageous. I'm not an angry sort of person, generally. But some people get more riled up by things, and things could get carried away-- do THEY want to become known as that sort of person, when they usually aren't? I know I wouldn't.

IDK, I just feel like having arguments on the internet shouldn't ruin your future fandom careers, and I've seen it happen too much to be unsympathetic for people covering their asses.

Right, I wasn't trying to call the anons cowards for posting anonymously or anything like that, more trying to say "Hey, you're being brave with a dissenting opinion, that's cool." And yeah, anonymity affords certain protections that I'm cool with, but sometimes some of the most biting, trolly comments seem more so because they're coming from an anon who's feeling venomous for whatever reason and need to vent on someone. /shrug

But yeah, I definitely agree with you about people wanting to protect themselves from vitriol and whatever. And name-calling is never fun. Just wanted to say I support your disagreement even if I disagree with your disagreement. I also think you empower people who disagree to not feel so alone in their minority/less vocal/squashed? opinions, and sometimes end up taking the heat for it. So that's cool. Is what I was trying to say. :)

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I'm not really saying anything outrageous

Oh, no. All you've done is made it really clear that you'll put in a concerted effort to stop something that annoys you because it... annoys you.

So if putting two and two together between you saying that and then very suddenly seeing a wave of anon support (esp. for yourself) is such a huge leap... lol, all right.

(And like you saying that it's all right to go anon as a cop-out isn't very telling, either.)