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[case]

Because I'm getting tons of PMs and stuff about this: stuff featuring actual porn of lolicon/shota/whatever will be linked, or was supposed to be just linked, just like every other secret featuring explicit porn. But sometimes I make mistakes and a secret gets by that should have been just linked. If a secret is posted that should be linked or warned for, notify me in the name the fandom thread and I'll fix it as soon as I can.

Unfortunately, secrets about lolicon/shota will not be banned because some people think it's wrong or gross or whatever. Some people think fic about rape or gore is wrong or gross or whatever. Some people think slash is wrong or gross or whatever. I'm sure everyone agrees that actual child porn is a bad thing. Lolicon/shota is not actual child porn.

Once again, I'm sorry for letting #127 get past my radar yesterday, and will try not to let it happen again.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If someone is triggered by displays of homosexuality because of some past experience, does that mean you think secrets like this one (http://i46.tinypic.com/6qlbom.jpg) should be behind a cut too? What if they're religiously offended by it?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, here we go with the homosexuality = child molestation comparison.

Come on, throw in the 'if men can get married to men, why not to animals as well?' one too for a complete bingo card.

[(Anonymous)]

What if someone was molested or raped as a child by a peer of the same sex. Don't you think that the idea of sexual same-sex contact would trigger them? Or does triggering only count if its straight or adult-on-child rape?

[ayeayes.livejournal.com]

If someone was molested by someone of the opposite sex, does that mean they should be traumatized by a picture of a man and a woman kissing? :|

[(Anonymous)]

Well, what if it did? Should secrets with pictures of people kissing be hidden with a link? A triggering image is a triggering image, no matter how few people it triggers.

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

Oh man, you are serious.


I'd recommend sitting in the sun for a bit until your brain germinates.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so sorry if not exposing people to stuff that can trigger them is something you're against.

warning - mention of common triggers, may be triggery

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

I shouldn't be rising to this, but I will anyway -

Peoples' triggers can, obviously, be anything. It is totally, practically impossible to censor absolutely everything under the suspicion that something innocent could trigger someone. Remember when Case received a comment from someone who wanted to be warned for a picture of a spider that someone was using on a secret, and how in the next post he warned for every single thing in the post to demonstrate how stupid an idea that is?

HOWEVER, the least we can do as decent human beings is warn for things which are common triggers, like child rape or suicide. If we can't warn for individual, specific triggers, we CAN warn for big general triggers that are likely to get people. It's a damn noble cause and it doesn't need strawmen like you making the decent side look like homophobes.


For reference, I don't have any triggers, just a few weird phobias that I'm not going to complain about because they're really weird and I am not everyone.

[saramiskismet.livejournal.com]

Are you seriously trying to say that KISSING, something people see their PARENTS and people walking down the street doing that has no violent intent whatsoever, is the same kind of trigger as images of RAPE and MOLESTATION?

Levels exist, hon.

[(Anonymous)]

And are you seriously trying to tell other people what is and isn't okay to be triggered by? Who are you do decide what's worthy of being a trigger and what isn't?

Individual experiences do exist.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you moron, it doesn't trigger me. Just like people who were molested by the opposite sex aren't triggered by ADULT het kissing.

[(Anonymous)]

You =/= everyone. Stop assuming that just because something doesn't trigger YOU doesn't mean it doesn't trigger ANYBODY.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice try.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice job at just ignoring what I said. You not being triggered by something doesn't mean you can just say fuck off to the people who are.

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

Wow, you managed to get a full bingo card in less than fifty words. Are you even serious? If you're a troll you're a terribly unfunny one. Please start being stupid over something that doesn't matter.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't even start.

[saramiskismet.livejournal.com]

Um if it was homosexual RAPE than yeah, but if it's just boys kissing that shouldn't be any more triggering than heterosexual kissing.

And if it's a religious thing? Then is seeing people lying/being atheist also offensive?

[(Anonymous)]

Who are you to tell other people what they should and shouldn't be triggered by?

[saramiskismet.livejournal.com]

First of all, kissing is typically not considered NSFW and any other homosexual acts would be considered NSFW so these people are warned before they even click the link. Technophile has a policy of keeping rape/molestation/outright porn as links and not visible even behind the cut, so people don't expect to see it by clicking the cut. So if it's kissing, they are warned before hand that subjects are NSFW and they may not want to view.

If they ARE triggered by kissing, they probably have enough problems walking down the street seeing couples, so I don't exactly know how to protect them from that.

[(Anonymous)]

Something can be NSFW and not be a trigger and something can be a trigger but still be SFW.

I was asking about same-sex kissing specifically. Don't you see how someone who was raped or molested by a same-sex peer as a child and grew up in a society that can outright demonize homosexual behaviour might be triggered by seeing sexual samesex contact? Even something like a samesex kiss?

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

Whoo defending the hypothetical. Double whoo for defending poor widdle homophobes.

Why am I still in this thread. You're either a troll or one of the stupidest and most unintentionally offensive people I've ever seen.

[saramiskismet.livejournal.com]

That's like saying because someone got punched by a black kid they have a right to be afraid/angered by all black people just walking around being black people.

If someone has a problem like that, it borders on prejudice, and it's sad that it's caused by a traumatic experience, but it is an innocent fact of life, unlike rape and molestation which are ALWAYS violent and wrong. Girls who are raped by boys don't usually have problems seeing loving contact between heterosexuals. In fact, seeing it can be a way to heal, to show the person that the contact is not necessarily violent or bad.

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

Thanks for being so awesome and keeping your cool better than me.

[iapetusneume.livejournal.com]

I just want to agree with you, and also say that there every group has its bad apples. Thank you for being more eloquent than I in being able to point that out.

[9kinds.livejournal.com]

It's not about telling other people what they are allowed to be triggered by, I'm sure there exists a person out there triggered by something as innocent seeming to the average person as a kiss. However, when everyone's personal experiences vary, it is simply impossible to know and cover every single base. I think it's reasonable that there is a line, graphic content and common triggers are often warned for.