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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-06-26 03:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #1271 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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No mudkips, don't worry.

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[identity profile] reasonablysunny.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
I hated this game as a kid. We had it in the computer lab at my school and sometimes we would get to go play it as a reward, only I could never figure out how to enter the answers. I would spend the entire hour running from things and hiding in rooms. I had nightmares about it.
thene: Happy Ponyo looking up from the seabed (innacurate genetics)

[personal profile] thene 2010-06-27 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, the Boss was affected by giving birth but she was also affected by going to space, by fighting in WW2 and by killing someone she loved. Her philosophy, which is the part of her that had the largest effect on the plot, had nothing the hell to do with gender. One gendered experience does not an entire character make. I'd be interested to know whether that one experience makes you see her as 'unfamiliar', though. (I don't relate to Meryl's experience as being gendered much at all - the only gender thing I can think of related to Meryl is the whole bride thing, which isn't mentioned until the end of MGS4, so I find it hard to see it as a vital part of her personality. She's really concerned about not being a rookie and about living up to Roy and Matt's legacies but that is not to do with her femaleness.)

Reminding you of the first thing you said, the thing that prompted me to respond to you in the first place, is not quote-mining. If you don't prefer to write men because it's easier because women are unfamiliar to you, then I am genuinely confused as to why you wrote that comment.

Your comment about the US Army Rangers wasn't a response to one of mine so I didn't read it until just now. I see your point, but I fail to understand why anyone would a) want to write only about the US Army Rangers and nothing else, or b) if they did claim to only want to write about all-male groups, not see that claiming interest only in all-male groups is a strong sign of their own underlying sexism.

[identity profile] wicked-seraph.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
/b/ ISN'T ALL THERE IS TO 4CHAN? I HAD NO IDEA, HOLY SHIT. I do realise that there are far more boards than /b/, which isn't even worth the reputation it earns nowadays.

Still. "Moralfag"? What are you, thirteen?

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
I lol'd, ngl.

I do agree, though, on both accounts.
thene: Happy Ponyo looking up from the seabed (Default)

[personal profile] thene 2010-06-27 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
Just saw your edit. I love the Boss partly because she's a woman whose gender is not written as her sole defining characteristic, kthnxgnight. Men written without gender as their sole defining characteristic are commonplace; are they disenfranchised of maleness because no one goes on about what manly mcmen they are?

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I am honest-to-God that bad at Photoshop, I had to resort to screenshots, Please don't be mad at me, I'm not a troll :(

[identity profile] dazzledfirestar.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, it'd be gone as soon as that shipment hit the stores! No doubt about that at all! LOL

But there is ample opportunity for variety.

[identity profile] riverfleur.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I don't mind giving credit and I always do if the person asked, but I can understand the annoyance because if you want to save something you have to remember who it was that made it. But I do credit if someone asks.

What does get on my nerves is if the person asks for credit but doesn't even give credit to what they used. Like the source of the fanart or quote they are using. I can make an icon by myself too, it's usually the stock I care about.

[identity profile] hako-neko.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Just like those Spider-man and Obama comics. My God.

[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Of course it doesn't make her entire character. I never said that. It is, however, and undeniable part of her character. Robbing The Boss of her female experiences would be like robbing The Boss of her experiences as a soldier. Without them, it's not really The Boss anymore.

With respect to Meryl, have you not played MGS1? Because her driving conflict is reconciling her dislike of traditional femininity with social expectation of her, particularly military social expectations. She resolves many of these conflicts by MGS4, yes. Character development, and all that.

That said, I've had the same thoughts as you, and lately I'm trying to write with more and more female characters, especially protagonists. It's actually extremely rewarding, and has improved my writing by leaps and bounds.

Well, there, I'll remind you of the last thing I said. I don't prefer to write men at all. My protagonists are roughly in equal numbers, these days. If you read to the end, that's relatively clear. Hence, quote-mining.

I write about the Army Rangers because my fandom is about the Army Rangers. (And the frontline SAS, by the by, which is also an all-male regiment.) If one wants to write about the Army Rangers in a non-fandom related way, one might be interested in Operation Gothic Serpent, or one of their many engagements throughout history. That you "fail to understand" why is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. That's on you. I think Battle of Mogadishu was fascinating, and I really enjoy the Call of Duty series - that's why. Insinuating that's sexist is laughable at best - I also write about the female elite operators in Rainbow Six and F.E.A.R..

[identity profile] dazzledfirestar.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly! The Madness! lol Though I might be tempted to get involved in said madness for a little Steve/Tony in panel. LOL

[identity profile] noonish.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
Erection, length, sometimes I've just alluded to it using "takes him in his mouth"? I find "cock" or "dick" too raunchy for my writing style, so I make do with euphemisms I find work better. It depends on writing style, I find 'cock' can work if it fits the scene overall, but sometimes it's just better suited to try and use other words that are 'softer' imo. I really think it depends on what works.

[identity profile] jencatd.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
This. The series makes a good starting point for learning more about different periods in history. :D

[identity profile] hako-neko.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
I'm ashamed to admit it, but let's be honest, here... I'd totally fucking buy it too! LOL

[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Of course it's not her sole defining characteristic. But it's a very important one. I'd put it right after her being a patriot and a soldier.

are they disenfranchised of maleness because no one goes on about what manly mcmen they are?

I have no idea, because I play shooters, and virtually every male character is so utterly steeped in maleness, male experiences, and male social expectations that it is impossible to imagine a game not respecting their male identities. (Though on that topic, Kojima comes pretty close with Raiden.)

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
not see that claiming interest only in all-male groups is a strong sign of their own underlying sexism.

So wanting to write one story about the US Army Rangers makes one sexist? I'm not going to turn into Tim O'Brien just because I'm in the mood to write a certain thing. Actually, Tim O'Brien is a good example of why someone would want to write only about the US Army Rangers without necessarily being sexist. You are generalizing far too much here.

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
ONTD_SKATING YEAH BRO!!! (http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_skating)

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, hello 1st grade all over again. o.o

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
Malcolm Tucker thinks otherwise.

[identity profile] callmejude.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, well, I had no idea of how ABC did it - I merely got the series DVDs and watched them on my own. Heh.

(Anonymous) 2010-06-27 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
It's all about who you know. Make friends on LJ, post to LJ, and they'll comment and pimp you like mad. Try TUMBLR, too! :D

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
WHY HELLO THERE.

LHoD has a fandom. To the best of my knowledge, it consists of me and the voices in my head.

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
...and I didn't even noticed you'd mentioned me until I replied to the earlier comment. *WAVES*

[identity profile] cordelia-gray.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Here (http://www.ursulakleguin.com/FAQ_Questionnaire5_01.html#FF/) is a link to the polivy on her website, which is actually a little more fic-friendly than I remembered, basically amounting to "don't plagiarise, don't make money, and I'm slightly frightened of this new-fangled Interweb thingy". So I'm actually feeling a lot more positive about this whole "Left Hand of Darkness" fandom idea!

You're not a Diana Gabaldon fan by any chance, are you? *grins*

Generally, I agree on the whole "fic happens" thing, although personally I'd feel a bit squeamish if I knew that the author really hated the idea, partly for the same reasons I feel a bit squeamish about certain kinds of RPF. But of course my squeamishness is totally irrelevant in the scheme of things