[ SECRET POST #1355 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1355 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 12 pages, 295 secrets from Secret Submission Post #194.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - personal attack ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
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Comments

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

I didn't know that. What a damned shame. Possibly another life that didn't have to be wasted.

[(Anonymous)]

Another life that didn't have to be wasted? How can you call his life wasted? :/

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

Whatever. If you want to talk to me, don't do it while hiding behind an Anon.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying - he did a lot of great and influential work, and, imho, that's hardly a life wasted.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

His potential lifespan and time for him to do even more amazing work beyond this point was what became wasted. That's what I meant.

[marsdragon.livejournal.com]

You know, if you have to insult someone for being Anon and not their actual arguments, you lose the debate. Dumbass.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

Naw, I just don't give respect to people who hide behind a shield. And sometimes -- not often, but sometimes -- they go crazy and forget to go anon. That's always a lot of fun.

Edit: Oh, and just quick protip: If you think you're "winning" or "losing" anything by engaging in a yelling match with an internet anon on F!S, you're deluding yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

way to make opinions out of two little phrases extracted from a much longer text

[(Anonymous)]

You are so stupid sometimes

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

Lol. Same person fail.

[(Anonymous)]

He had Pancreatic Cancer. Wiki before you reply. Medicine tends to do nothing with late diagnosis for that, especially.

It's his choice, and his body, too. And if his family was alright with it? Move on.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

I think you're taking this waaaaay too personally, Anon.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think you're being ignorant and involving YOUR opinions in a decision that did not belong to you (what's worse? forming such without even being aware of WHICH cancer it was!). Respect the man for his work. Leave his being to himself and his family.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

Eh, I'm sorry but your message doesn't have any weight when you have to hide behind an anon to do it. You're replying but I can is "Blah blah blah, I'm a little big man behind a fake name blah blah blah".

:P

[(Anonymous)]

I think you need to take a step back and ask yourself, what are you really reacting to?

Is there some stress in your life or anxiety that you're repressing, and using the internet as an outlet for?

Take a deep breath and turn your attention to your inner self.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

Ohhh, and while we're at it, Anon, here's another good one.

"Happiness comes through taming the mind; without taming the mind there is no way to be happy."

[(Anonymous)]

lol yeah okay. different anon, but this is TOO obvious. a swift failure, typical with you.

[(Anonymous)]

A shame that he didn't take your personal beliefs about medicine into account when deciding how to deal with a life-threatening, very likely life-ending, illness? A complete waste of a life just because of that?

Are you fucking serious?

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

I find it utterly laughable that I've been replied with 4 different times in the same hour by an anon with pretty much the same writing style. Sorry that my little comment put a bug up your ass, Anon, but you're attempt at trollery is complete fail.

[(Anonymous)]

The others might all be the same person (in which case... um, wow), but I'm a different anon.

Your comment looked very much to me like you were insulting people who chose to forgo "real" cancer treatment, or who chose to die in a way you didn't deem dignified or responsible or whatever. That "put a bug up my ass" because two of my family members committed suicide when their cancer progressed so much that treatment wouldn't be able to cure it and would dramatically decrease their lifespan and quality of life. I (maybe wrongly) took your comment as a pretty fucking nasty insult to them. It also looked like a fantastic display of entitlement and general asshattery. I have no idea whether you meant any of that or not, and I should've taken that into account before commenting, but that's what my comment was replying to.

I'm not trolling, I'm not ~butthurt~, I am incredibly pissed off. If I'm overreacting, I'm sorry for flailing at you, but I think my sensitivity to this kind of thing is understandable.

[mewsrissicat.livejournal.com]

Just noting that there was a bit of logic-fail in the OP's post, btw....

Satoshi Kon developed a numb leg and received chiropractic and acupuncture treatments. There is no indication of whether he went there on his own, or was sent there by a doctor. (One could conjecture that a numb leg was misinterpreted as a pinched nerve in his back - who knows?)

What is clear is that sometime after these treatments - probably when he did not improve - additional tests were conducted and it was discovered that he had advanced pancreatic cancer.

The OP incorrectly assumed that Kon tried to *treat* the cancer with alternative medicines, when it appears that Kon chose not to attempt any treatment that had a likelihood of ultimately failing - and being both costly and painful along the way.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

*nods*

Admittedly, I had no idea about any of this until this secret. So my comment a few hours ago was based upon that secret, before I knew it was advanced pancreatic cancer...ect.

I do have a big problem with people turning to alternative medicines with curable and/or manageable diseases. Modern medicine isn't pretty, but there are too many snake-oil salesmen who would try to convince ailing people that their Hogkins can be cured by an overdose of vitamin C (or whatever).

So I suspected the same thing from the OP's post. Glad to hear that wasn't the case, although as before -- I'm still sorry that he didn't live healthier, longer, and able to produce more art.

Edit: Replying to this with some thought involved because you didn't hide behind an Anon. :D

[mewsrissicat.livejournal.com]

The only good an overdose of vitamin C has ever done for me was to short-circuit the development of a cold. (Zinc makes me so sick to my stomach.) And there are simply things that homeopathy cannot do, not should it be represented as such - so we're completely in agreement there.

I'm still sorry that he didn't live healthier, longer, and able to produce more art.

Word.

(I never, ever hide. If I won't say something to your face, then I shouldn't be saying it at all.)

OP here

[(Anonymous)]

Just to answer this precise point: I did not assume he tried to treat the cancer with acupuncture.

He chose acupuncture and chiropractics to deal with pain in his leg and only decided to go see a doctor when he could not walk anymore. This is what angers me: there are people with curable illnesses who waste time seeking "alternative" treatments which simply do not work. When they finally decide to turn to someone with a medical degree, months later, it's often too late to do anything.
I am not saying this was the case for him. But he waited until he couldn't walk anymore to seek medical advice and that's just sad.

Re: OP here

[mewsrissicat.livejournal.com]

*nods* Thank you for the clarification.

But how was he to know that the pain and numbness in his leg (a common symptom of pinched nerves/back problems) was anything worse? How does someone know that a common symptom like numbness heralds a more severe condition rather than a more common one? How do we even know that the doctor wouldn't have sent him to the exact same treatments?

As I mentioned above, my brother went to see his doctor for pain in his back that was debilitating enough that he could not work. It was that same doctor who sent him to chiropractic treatment and PT for six months before the lack of improvement finally started the tests that discovered his cancer.

Now, to your point, there is a chiropractor near me who I actively cannot stand. He fans people's fear of traditional medicine by posting messages outside his office that point out side-effects and risks of medications in the most inflammatory way, and often without context. ("Dyes in MRI turn skin to marble.") Alternative care that isn't willing to work hand in hand with real doctors is an active threat to people's health and welfare.