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⌈ Secret Post #1355 ⌋

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[fscom.livejournal.com]

111. http://i51.tinypic.com/14ukxmq.png

[eyepatchmcgee.livejournal.com]

ah I think methods like acupuncture can work very well for some things like muscle pain, but they don't help for things like cancer. Not in the way of curing it anyway. But I don't think he was an idiot, I mean it sounds like he didnt know what he had, if he just thought his leg was bothering him then acupuncture sounds viable. And a lot of bad doctors and quacks are spreading around bad information for profit. And in anycase sadly (very very sadly) chemo doesnt help all the time, sometimes the cancer is too aggressive or its been discovered too late
R.I.P. you were and are an amazing artist

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, anon. Way to be a culturally insensitive prickzilla. Acupuncture is widely regarded in many parts of the world. There was a woman who had open heart surgery without anesthetic, only acupuncture. I've had an ulcer cured by acupuncture. The American Medical Association has done studies that prove that it actually WORKS.

Would I, as a Westerner, use acupuncture without Western medicine? No. But a) I have the luxury of having both to choose from and b) acupuncture is cheaper and a lot less stressful on the body--it's my first resort while I wait those MONTHS to get a doctor's appointment.

[coyote-feathers.livejournal.com]

I agree 100%. He was an amazingly talented man and am genuinely upset that he is gone, but as soon as I read that I wanted to reach out and choke something. It really stings when I learn that someone I respected so much believes in total bunk to the point of forgoing REAL medical care. Jim Henson is another case of this.

Yeah, maybe it was too far progressed. All the same, I lost a little of the respect I had for him.

If you're like me and really foaming at the mouth over the prevalence of quacks out there, check out http://www.whatstheharm.net . I think if more people actually saw the number of deaths and economic harm this bullcrap causes, they'd stop being so wowed and amazed by the anecdotal evidence.

[fisting-pigs.livejournal.com]

I dunno, it was his decision when it comes down to it. Being radiated and having chemo aren't exactly the nicest most pleasant experiences in the world and sometimes it doesn't work.

And he had pancreatic cancer which has a very high mortality rate, there's not a heck of a lot you can do anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

My mother told me that if she ever gets cancer, she wouldn't want chemo (she considers it poison, it's unnatural and she's a hardcore hippie) and only wants natural treatments. When I heard about this, I got so angry and upset at her because why deny yourself the option of a possible cure, however nasty it might be?

But at the end of the road, it's her life and not mine, and if she can't live with the idea that chemo may save her life, who am I to ask her to take it anyhow?

I'm just praying she never gets it. It's a hard call to make and a hard decision to accept if you don't oppose to chemo.

[(Anonymous)]

I hear you. My mom has recurrent cancer and has done a lot of alternative healing techniques (e.g., reiki) but always ALONG WITH chemo and radiation, not INSTEAD of. It really is heart-breaking to see people reject treatments that are clinically, scientifically, factually proven to work in favor of treatments that don't but have an aura of appeal because they're "traditional."

[(Anonymous)]

I actually don't blame him at all. Sometimes, the medicine is worse than the actual disease. I had an uncle who was diagnosed with AIDS, so he took the medications for it, but they were so rough on his liver that when he finally died, he died of liver failure. That's probably a bad example, since no one can really be cured of AIDS, but I think you get the point. There's a lady that my aunt goes to church with that was recently told she has MS, but instead of trying the medications that she knows will help, but also make other things much worse, she's trying acupuncture and changing her diet and whathaveyou.

I'm sad that he's gone as well, but I can understand why he didn't want to go the chemo route, especially if he felt he was going to die anyway. If you're going to die soon, why make it harder on yourself?

[(Anonymous)]

Daily dose of trolly racism from fandomsecrets, got it all here.

[siriuslynow.livejournal.com]

It sounds like he was going to the chiropractor/acupuncturist for the pain in his leg?

b/c chemo is roses and daises, rite?

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, wow. Have you ever known anyone who went through chemo? The process can be fucking awful depending on what type of cancer you have and what they're giving you, and a lot of times chemo makes the person feel sicker than the cancer does while it's working on it.

If I had cancer and it was uncurable and had to go through that? I don't know if I'd bother. You don't know why he didn't want that kind of medical treatment. Don't immediately assume it's because he's a zomg acupuncture fanatic or something.

[mewsrissicat.livejournal.com]

First off OP, I dearly hope you realize that you're projecting your loss and anger onto the *victim* here, since you have no other way to relieve it. And while it's understandable that you do that, in fact a LOT of people do that... it just isn't cool.

Secondly, if you look at what you wrote, it says that he was getting acupuncture AND chiropractic treatment for the numb leg before he knew it was cancer. This sort of treatment is actually not uncommon there OR here, as numbness is usually associated with pinched nerves.

My brother - at the age of 34 - was being treated in the US with chiropractic care for lumbar back pain. And then physical therapy, too, when it didn't improve through chiropractic treatments. It took about 6 months of this before they actually thought to x-ray his back and found the grapefruit-sized tumor wrapped around his spine. By that point, he too, was incurable.

TLDR: He went to his health care provider for numbness in his leg and they treated him as they would have treated any other man of his age and condition. "Thinking less of him" because he *magically* didn't realize that he had cancer at the first symptoms doesn't make any sense at all.

[(Anonymous)]

My godmother refused chemo when she was dying of lung cancer. I think it would be extremely hard to accurately decide which decision is "best" without being the person in question, having all the information they were given, ect. If he was told that he wasn't going to get better regardless, and that it would only lengthen his life and not necessarily improve it, I can see why he would make that decision. I don't recall him saying that he refused palliative care.

He'll be missed.

[inuyatta.livejournal.com]

Wow. I'm rather disappointed at some of the attitudes here on alternative medicine, as if it were all fake.

Folks, it's not as simple as all that. Medicinal practices (western and alternative) also tend to be as effective as the practitioner. In addition to that, it also depends on the individual being practiced on. I'm not going to pretend that the cancer wasn't what killed him, but I'm certainly not going to insist that chemo was going to save his life either. I've far too many personal experiences in my life where chemo did NOT save my loved ones, and in fact, caused more harm than relief.

That said, cancer is not something to fuck around with and it can be treated with both types of medicine (alternative for pain relief, chemo for the cellular level)--there is no guarantee that it'll cure the cancer, but it does boost your chances when used concurrently.

TL;DR, people have said it better--all that aside, you don't have all the facts or know what it was like for him. Passing judgment on his decisions concerning how he wanted to be treated for this fatal disease is really not something anyone is in any position to do.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

I didn't know that. What a damned shame. Possibly another life that didn't have to be wasted.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Sounds to me like he was diagnosed in the later stages of the disease and decided that he would rather not deal with the chemo and treatments to battle the disease when there was a really good chance he could die anyway. I can totally understand that and it's his right to die if he wants to.

It's his body, his life, not yours. Like others have already said, the acupuncturist was for pain relief, obviously he did not think that alternative medicine would save his life.

I will say that the one thing he wrote in the letter that kind of bothered me was that he didn't let his parents know he was dying until he was in his final few days. At least he was able to see them one last time, but when his mother said (I'm paraphrasing) "I'm sorry I didn't give birth to you with a stronger body" I seriously cried. I know he wasn't trying to hurt them by hiding his disease from them, but at the same time, I think it's a little insensitive to hide the fact that you're dying from your family.

[that-evening.livejournal.com]

It sounds to me like he was someone who didn't really want to face the cancer (as are a lot of people when they first discover they have it) and was just seeking quick fixes for the pain itself. He may have never really thought it would 'cure' him or anything.

[(Anonymous)]

The treatment and medication killed my grandmother in four months. And her living expectatives without treatment after her cancer was discovered were of two years.

Yes, I see why some people would refuse it and I don't think they're idiots.

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree he should have sought cancer treatment in conjuncture with the acupuncture, this is disgusting, Anon. Chemotherapy is one of the most painful things an individual can go through. Most of my childhood was spent in the oncology ward. I watched my mother fight and lose against cancer. The single most outstanding memory I have of her? Is one of her continually vomiting into our bathtub, while she sobbed, while her hair came out, while she shook and told my father how much it hurt after the chemo.

I think the idea of you condemning a sick man for not wanting his last days spent in agony... is beyond repugnant.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes the stress and side effects caused by chemotherapy and other "real" cancer treatments can shorten a person's life or damage their quality of life much more than "BS" will. He might have researched all of the options available to him and chosen the ones that were most likely to increase his lifespan or improve his quality of life, and if, coincidentally, those were the options you think are bullshit or whatever, that's not anything to judge him so harshly for.

[(Anonymous)]

Pancreatic Cancer: Wiki it now, please.

[ebilhamster.livejournal.com]

It's not like he tried to treat his cancer with the acupuncture, you selectively-reading herpaderp (and, just by the way, if he HAD done so it wouldn't be any of your business. Someone being famous and/or producing work you enjoy doesn't mean you have more say in their lives and choices than you do in that of any random man on the street.) By the time they caught it, treatment likely wouldn't have saved him, and just would've made the last part of his life more difficult. He just chose to go in peace and not in pain.

Saying that anyone who has a chance of being cured of their condition is obliged to throw themselves into any chance to do so, no matter the pain or emotional toll, is like saying people can't have DNRs or ask not to be kept on life support.

[puncture.livejournal.com]

do you even know what chemotherapy does to people? I watched my grandfather go through it and it was devastating. He became a shell of the man he was before, lost all his hair, couldn't eat a thing, and finally was begging for us to just let him die. I don't blame satoshi kon for not wanting it.

[d-moonbeam.livejournal.com]

Seriously, Anon, who the fuck do you think you are? Guess what? Acupuncture is part of the Japanese and Chinese medical culture. Maybe he did go to a real doctor first, and they couldn't catch it. Did you ever think of that? Also, if he rejected chemo at the time of the prognosis, what the hell makes you think he would do it earlier? There are a lot more misdiagnosis from western medical doctors that kill people than the choice of leaning towards natural care (not to say people don't make the right choices in that regard either). And to top it all off what fucking business is it of yours to judge how he handles his choices? What if you were ill and the better therapy for you was through injected medicines even though most of the medical world insisted on massage therapy? Would you be an idiot too?
Think a little and be more sensitive to others norms before you start judging away.

[rayiroth.livejournal.com]

He had pancreatic cancer, OP. He didn't stand a chance.