[ SECRET POST #1464 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1464 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Oh, please.

There are plenty of ways that men can get totally screwed over in modern society.
Like becoming financially ruined after divorce, or being forced to support kids they didn't want (this is especially bad in America.)

Yes, men have a lot of advantages over women, even in this society.

But women are not the fragile dolls they were considered to a a 100 years ago, either.

[bloodparade.livejournal.com]

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!

OMG, poor men. Getting screwed over at every turn. Guess what? If I man consents to have sex, he has to deal with the consequnces of that. If that means babies, then he has to deal with it. He made the decision.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Right, I see.

If a man consents to have sex, it's OKAY to financially ruin him.

But if a woman consents to have sex, it's OKAY to change her mind and call it rape later on.

I'm glad that's cleared up.

[(Anonymous)]

lol you trolling

[bloodparade.livejournal.com]

If that is what you got from my argument, then you are even dumber than I thought.

[(Anonymous)]

What the fuck are you doing.

[vaguely.livejournal.com]

How on Earth are those two things related? You are really quite the moron.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Having children is a choice. Often the woman's choice. Don't come complaining you're not making the same money men do because you chose to have kids and gave up your career for them or took on a part-time job. Choices have consequences.

[(Anonymous)]

you are a motherfucking idiot

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Truth hurts?

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Fair? No.

But life was never fair.

Some people are born prettier.
Some people are born into richer families.
Some people live until they're 110 and some die of terrible disease in high school.

But there is something as a calculated risk.

If I know that having children will give me a career hit,and I chose to have kids anyway, isn't that nobody's responsibility but my own?

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

JFC are you serious? Or are you just flat out trolling at this point?

[(Anonymous)]

What if it's not the woman's choice? What if she's coerced or tricked into having children that she doesn't want and then the guy leaves, either during the pregnancy or afterward? What if she's unsure but the guy changes her mind because ~he loves her so~ and ~they'll make a great family~ and then ditches her and the kid(s)? What if she gets pregnant from being raped? What if the guy tells her "don't worry, you can't get pregnant from doing this" and she believes him because she's young and/or hasn't had proper sex education?

Reading your comments here, it doesn't seem like any of these possibilities have even occurred to you. It's not always their choice, and even when it is it's often his choice as well. Lots of couples plan a family together that later break up. Are you saying that she should be the only one at fault there? Really?

You mentioned elsewhere in the thread that you like shades of grey, but you seem to be viewing this very much in black and white terms.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Reading your comments here, it doesn't seem like any of these possibilities have even occurred to you. It's not always their choice, and even when it is it's often his choice as well. Lots of couples plan a family together that later break up. Are you saying that she should be the only one at fault there? Really?

I was specifically not talking about the cases where people plan a family together; but break up. Those are generally kids who have been recognized by they father, and once done so, he should be kept to that responsibility. I was talking about cases where a women gets accidentally pregnant, and just assumes that the man she had sex with welcomes fatherhood.

But i do find it too easy to blame men on being disadvantaged career-wise, while there is a clear biological distinction and there are women out there who do actively choose to work part-time or even be stay-at-home moms.

If pregnancy results from rape, then clearly the man should be punished...but do you truly wish to be dependent of alimony from your rapist? Having to - even in minimal form- deal with him every month?

Lack of sex education is a problem, but not just for girls, but also for boys.
It's an issue that should be tackled at school, before pregnancy, and not patched-up after sex education has failed by punishing either of the potential parents financially.

As for men being jerks - yes that happens, but how exactly should one work anti-jerk sentiments into laws? And how do you distinguish fromthose who were very clear about their wishes?

[(Anonymous)]

lol those poor men, having to take care of their own children. the injustice!!1111!

[(Anonymous)]

women on the whole were never considered fragile dolls, only upperclass nobility was.

jfc go read a book about this shit before you open your mouth on it

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

Like becoming financially ruined after divorce

If you don't like equitable division of property (and equitable means fair) then get the law changed. If you prefer, we can always go back to how it used to be, where you were forbidden to divorce or the man didn't have to give you a damn thing.

being forced to support kids they didn't want (this is especially bad in America.)

That's a lie.

First, you seem unaware that if a guy cums in you, the woman has been given the sperm as a gift and is free to do whatever the fuck she wants with it. (http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20050309.html) Court says so. You don't want the woman to have a baby with the sperm? Don't give the gift in the first place. And no, there are no takebacks. Why? Because gifts don't work that way. Court says so.

Second, you seem unaware that support to an "unwanted child" is not given because of the parents. The courts say it doesn't matter if the man didn't want the child, if the woman didn't want the child, or if both didn't want the child. It's irrelevant. The child must receive support and said child will receive it from both parents in equal proportion to what they're able to provide. There are very complex mathematical formulas that go into figuring it out; it's not simple. The only way one or both parents will not be required to support a child, wanted or not, is if parental rights are severed. Good luck with that. Again, a parent whines about having to pay child support? Shouldn't have given the cream as a gift in the first place. Court does not fucking care. It's not about the welfare of the parent; it's about the welfare of the child.

If you have a problem with all that, take it up with the legislators and judges and convince them otherwise. Which you won't. Because you don't have a valid argument that will be accepted.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Court doesn't say so.
Not where I live, at least.
Maybe I won't take it up with legislators because the law is pretty damn sane where I live. I.e. a man has to officially (like he has to SIGN a birth certificate with his name) acknowledge the child is his before money can be asked from him. (That is, unless of course he was married to the woman at the time or he was under a specific cohabitation contract that he signed, in which case it was his own stupid fault for getting married) The nonsense in your article, would never happen where I live, because a woman stupid enough to inseminate herself of her own accord, would have to take care of the brat of her own accord.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

OIC. And where exactly is this fantastical place that you live, hmm? What nation, pray tell?

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Let's say I live in a Western-European country. And I think similar laws are in effect in other countries too, IIRC, because my sister who lives "next door" had to do significant paperwork to get her boyfriend recognized at her daughter's dad, even though they live together, albeit unofficially.

[(Anonymous)]

lol you are so fucking clueless it hurts

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

You seem clueless about the fact that USA law does not govern the world.

[koshkabegemot.livejournal.com]

You are making awesome comments and you should feel awesome.