[ SECRET POST #1509 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1509 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 376 secrets from Secret Submission Post #216.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

31. http://i53.tinypic.com/2mmshvs.png

[(Anonymous)]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this song or Gaga? I still haven't heard it and don't plan to.

[dullscythe.livejournal.com]

Thanks for letting us know your plans

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you special and unique snowflake. Out of all the people in the entire world, you are the only one who has had this opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

She's essentially mimicking Madonna's vocal style in this one. Sounds like a standard Madonna song. You're not really missing out on much but the message in the song. Hope that helps.

[(Anonymous)]

No and no1curr

[franceismyhomie.livejournal.com]

/is Tamil and totally agrees~

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this secret...when she says chola descent i'm sure she was trying to say it was okay to be Hispanic/Latino, not Asian. The part where she calls Asians oriental was a shout out to you.

How can anyone look at this racist piece of shit song positively is beyond me.

[(Anonymous)]

orientals was east asians, bro

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I wish Gaga was smart enough to mean that.

[(Anonymous)]

MTE. Instead of a really offensive term to Latinas. :/

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, here we go again. More of these self-righteous fandom idiots who are always desperately searching for something new to accuse of 'racefail'. Lady Gaga wrote a song about loving yourself no matter who you are, but because she used 'orient' and 'chola' to make the lines work together she's terrible and evil and deserves to be flogged. As this secret illustrates, using 'chola' isn't necessarily a racist slur (is it a racial slur in the first place? I have to admit, not being from the USA I had to look up what it meant as I hadn't heard it before, and the definition gave no indication of the 'offense' level it has towards people it's directed at), and 'oriental' is a pretty everyday word - 'oriental languages', etc.

Seems like people will do anything to find a new target for this new fandom disease of accusing everything of being '-ist'. Ageist, sexist, ableist, whateverist, on the most flimsy basis. No black people in your material? RACIST! A black character who is good? RACIST, stop stereotyping! A black character that isn't good? SAME THING! Authors and artists can't win nowadays, there is always something people will pick at.

[(Anonymous)]

How about you educate yourself more (http://www.racialicious.com/2011/02/08/lady-gaga-brings-cholas-back-to-pop-culture-like-it-or-not/) before mouthing off? (Also, in the US "Oriental" is an offensive, outdated term. Gaga is from the US, so there's her context.)

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

Chola is offensive enough in the context in which she used it that several latin@ groups specifically complained. It's not a fandom thing.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

I have to agree, to an extent. I think it's good to talk about these issues and point out these -isms where they actually exist, but I rarely see rational discussions, I just see a lot of angry bitching and entitlement and ridiculous misuse of the word "privilege." (Seriously, people, just don't say it. It makes you sound pretentious and dumb most of the time.) And while plenty of times it's valid to point out these types of things in shows/movies/whatever, a lot of the times it's really not, and it really kind of takes away from an important message about equality and responsible messages and all to just go "THAT'S OFFENSIVE" at everything all the time.

(And yeah, "Oriental" is outdated...but she doesn't actually said "Oriental," she says "Orient-made," and there actually is a difference. I still think she's using 'stereotypical' words to make a point--like, 'people will judge you and stereotype you, but fuck them, it doesn't matter what they call you because you know who you are and you should be yourself.' Like, I thought she was using those words defiantly. But, whatever, maybe not.)

[childings.livejournal.com]

Right, you're not from the US but you feel fit to judge whether a pop star from the US is using racist language or not.

[subarashiine.livejournal.com]

I normally like Gaga, but man does this song suck.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

Agreed. Beyond any racism controversy, it's a bad song. Gaga's done better, this just sounds lazy. It was apparently written in ten minutes and it shows.

[starshipblues.livejournal.com]

"Nobody else but me understands what Chola means in that context."

I seriously, seriously doubt Gaga means what you think she means. The chola-inspired imagery in the video for Telephone should be enough to tip you off that she was making a reference to latinas rather than the Chola descent you're refering too.

Also, "orient-made" is still ridiculous no matter what excuse people give.

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

IA

[rosehiptea.livejournal.com]

I agree. I really don't get what she thought she was doing when she used those words.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol are you for real? I'm from around that part of the world and this is the first time I've heard that Indians think they're of CHOLA descent.

What's next? Gujrati people are of Dhokla descent? Or Punjabi are of Tandoori descent?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm seriously tired of you Gaga fans coming up with new excuses for her shit song.

The song is shit.
The lyrics are shit.
Her attempt at trying to be edgy and the voice for all us minorities is shit.

Just. Stop. It.

Anyone who believes her hype is a fucking mindless sheep that can't see through the egg and glitter at her true ignorance of these issues. I don't need an obnoxious pop singer trying to fight for my rights that she doesn't even know, nor can comprehend, about. If I needed someone to speak for my civil rights, I'd go to Cornel West. At least he understands that the fuck he's talking about.

There's a reason why these words are dead. There's a reason why they pulled the definitions nigger and oriental out of the dictionary. She doesn't need to resurrect them and try to make them "positive" again.

Go away, OP. Go away.

[beforeglamour.livejournal.com]

I actually recently heard that definition of "Chola" and, thinking over the lyrics, it makes a LOT more sense with the context. How can you be descended from a modern youth subculture?

Her using "orient" is still problematic, but I think people who knew the subculture meaning of "Chola" took it out of context, and other people got caught up in it.

[(Anonymous)]

...Did anybody read this secret? OP said they knew what Gaga meant, but likes to believe she meant something else.