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⌈ Secret Post #148 ⌋

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10. In reference to the 'not being canon';

Just wondering (since I've been spoiled for PW4), NaruMitsu has it's implications as well and the games didn't quite say otherwise (even though what we find out in 4 for Naru is also clearly giving us an idea of an established relationship that isn't NaruMitsu).

It's like denying AxelRoxas in KH (which I don't like at all, mind) but the game pretty much likes to promote. So what makes anyone decide what's canon or not, when technically... there is none set in stone and it's up to fandom interpretation?

In reference to the oppression bit:

Dear god, people. Stop victimizing yourself for something you can easily get well with those who share your ideas, or at least if you'd portray it in a way that it'd look attractive to others and not annoy the crap out of them. (Yay, long sentence) Narumitsu certainly isn't a rarity if you know where to look.

tl;dr part over, and now to the OP; Live and let live. No one's asking you to read NaruMitsu or AxelRoxas, but at the very least, contribute something that makes what you like seem plausible too, if you're part of that fandom.

I'm so glad I stay out of fandom and enjoy NaruMitsu or anything related to the characters I love in PW with those who won't START PAIRING WARS. Gah.

I'll shut up now. :D;;

Live and let live but don't hate because that's not allowed and also contribute stuff because you said so? If you're really going by live and let live, hey, let 'em hate. If you're not in the fandom (but even if it were, if you're living and let living) why's it matter to you?

But I didn't say to not hate. If they like something in the fandom, what's wrong in them sharing that too?

Nothing. But just because you hate uke!Ky in GG fandom and write nonuke!Ky... doesn't mean that you stop hating uke!Ky whenever you see him.

Yeah, but that's a different thing altogether. What part of my answer are you actually talking about? 'cause I was partly in favor of the OP and was addressing things they'd mentioned in the secret with.

tl;dr part over, and now to the OP; Live and let live. No one's asking you to read NaruMitsu or AxelRoxas, but at the very least, contribute something that makes what you like seem plausible too, if you're part of that fandom.

I'm so glad I stay out of fandom and enjoy NaruMitsu or anything related to the characters I love in PW with those who won't START PAIRING WARS. Gah.

*dies* But that was a general thing!! I don't know how else to word it, like, when Axel/Roxas people were all LOL YOU CAN'T HAVE MARLUXIA/ROXAS BECAUSE THEY NEVER MEET, I was still drawing it? And people liked it? Same way, if they don't like Phoenix/Edgeworth, then show what they DO like?

Does that make sense? ._.

Right, but the OP never mentioned anything about liking other stuff, just a hatred of people that were all "omg it's canon!"

I hated Axel/Roxas fangirls like that. I liked Axel/Demyx. So I wrote it. Still hate the Axel/Roxas fangirls, and if I posted a secret like that and someone told me "live and let live, go write Axel/Demyx," I'd be like that's not the point, I hate all the Axel/Roxas being shoved in my face.

And no one's saying that's a bad thing or to change anything (at least I hope I didn't come off like that), but there are always going to be fans like that, so once expressed, is it bad to just offer the alternative, just for the sake of offering it with an opinion?

That's how it came off to me. Sounded like an order. Bleh, whatever.

*dies* Sorry, didn't mean for it to sound like that at all.

My god! You and the rest of the anal pricks in fandom are so goddamn dramatic. D:!! It's everywhere! They're shoving it my face! Omg how do I scroll!? I can't believe people like something that's popular! How do I get away!? Is there no safe place for me and my utter dislike towards something that is so loved!? Whatever will I do except bitch that things aren't going my way in fandom!

They were given a suggestion of how to make their situation a little more tolerable, and that's somehow wrong because suggestion =/= demand? Way to totally miss the point of a post.

And for the record NaruMitsu IS so highly accepted because there is nothing about it that says that it can't happen. PW is a first person RPG where you are Phoenix and it's based on your decisions in the game of what happens and what does not happen. Thus giving way to multiple interpretations.

If you've got to get so enraged over something that a majority of people agree upon, you can either contribute to prove it wrong, contribute to the part of fandom you like so maybe it'll be more well taken with the rest of fandom and you can find common ground with someone, or how about just GTFO.

Ok.

Wow, way to jump into something that you don't understand fully and take it completely the wrong way! *dies* This is like walking into the wrong half of a conversation, except you started bitching about it!

Let me try to interpret. Case wasn't even talking about Phoenix Wright or anything, he took issue with Shahni's general verbiage. The way she worded it could be taken as contradictory of itself. At first saying live and let live and then saying you shouldn't/can't hate! But if the live and let live part is to be taken, then that means just letting the people hate who are gonna hate and not bothering to try and get them to stop or whatever. If that makes sense. It does in my mind, but I have a touch of the dumb today. Eh heh.

Yes, it was badly expressed on both sides. No, this wasn't about NaruMitsu at all. Yes, I'm laughing at everyone right now.

*counters with NaruMitsu kissyface icon*

Er, but where exactly did I say to should or not hate? Maybe live or let live was the wrong phrase to use, but as I've kept repeating, that's not what I meant at all. And I think she got my point better, to be honest. Misinterpretation all around! *dies*

If that's the reason, then by all means. I just replied according to how I saw the secret.

Well, the OP mentioned not liking it because of the fangirls that insisted it was CANON, and I agree that it's not, though at the same time it's a pretty grey area because PW is pretty open to interpretation? Seeing it had so much going on in it and so many relationships.

I have never seen a fangirl ever insist that it was canon. I've seen many a joke about it, but never someone seriously try to put forth the idea that it's a canon couple and Edgeworth and Phoenix are toooootally making out inbetween cases. I've also never seen any P/E fangirl cry opression. And considering it's pretty easy to know who's who in this fandom, it's not like there's a secret enclave of super irritating fangirls out there. That I'm aware of. Hey, maybe there is one...though no one ever seems to be able to point the direction it's in to me.

Anyway, if the OP can't take good-natured jokes, that reflects more poorly on him/her than the fangirls. Yes, it can get irritating seeing a lot of fics you don't like pop up. But that's life. Blaming people that like the couple and celebrate in it seems silly to me. They're not hurting you.

Oh yeah, seriously. Every fandom has that though, yes? We make silly jokes about things, but god, it's not like any of us INSIST and BELIEVE that they're canon. But that might be us, I don't like pairing wars and I don't involve myself in fandoms so deeply that they take away my sense of reason or whatever.

*dies* Randomly, somehow it feels like telling people to do that (re: telling them not to blame people that celebrate pairings) is offensive to them. It's almost like people want to cause other people stress in their respective fandoms instead of keeping the peace. It's upsetting. Gah.

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