[ SECRET POST #1595 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1595 ⌋


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Comments

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

Come talk to me when you're as poor as I am. /Rant

+1

[yuppu.livejournal.com]

DITTO.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

Which of course justifies you stealing them.

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

I've actually never pirated a game. I've never had a computer with enough memory. deeerp

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who has pirated a few games... no, it doesn't. And if/when I get enough spare cash that I can afford to buy them without going hungry? I will, without a doubt. I'm not a bad person, but I am in bad circumstances, and tbh, sometimes the games make it easier to bear. It's a reason, not a justification, nor an excuse. Take it as you like.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for costing me my job.

Here's a funny thing, when I can't afford anything, and as of two weeks ago, I can't anymore, because gaming companies are going south...I don't get it. Imagine that!

[(Anonymous)]

Could it be because no one has the money to spend on anything besides their bills? But, no, that's be logical.

LET'S BLAME PIRATES.

Funny thing, brosis? If they pirate it because they can't afford it, they... wouldn't have bought it anyway. So you'd still be out of a job because the video game companies are going south because people can't afford to buy it.

But, again, that's logical.

[(Anonymous)]

They fear the logic, I think.

Honestly, it's not wonder this one is out of a job. His mental capacities are obviously not particularly impressive.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me help you.

We've got a 75% torrent rate on one of our iPhone games.

That's right. iPhone. You're telling me that people can afford iPhones, but CAN'T afford the $.99-$6.99 for a game? That's interesting!

[(Anonymous)]

That is... perhaps the most ludicrous accusation I've ever been on the receiving end of.

Even if I hadn't of pirated a few games (and of those, you have no idea of knowing whether or not they came from a company you worked for, which just makes this even more ridiculous), I still would not have been able to help you keep your job, as I cannot afford to buy the games you made. I would not have been able to contribute. So how is it my fault?

And by the way. The PC gaming market has been in decline for years, and it's not because of piracy. Every new wave of PC games that come out have higher requirements requiring better hardware to play them. A system that was able to perfectly play one game will not be guaranteed to play another that comes out six months later. And right now, in case you haven't noticed, many places are in a state of declining economy; people can no longer afford to just buy a new computer whenever a new game comes out. People can't afford to upgrade their systems every few months anymore, so they can't play the games, and therefore don't buy them. THAT is why the PC market is declining right now. Piracy has been around for as long as there have been games to play, even throughout the golden ages of PC games; it wasn't until the economy took a dive that the market took a hit.

Also, do not preach to me about not being able to afford anything for a scant two weeks. Go eight years living so far beyond your means that your next meal is never guaranteed, where the very next week you may be sleeping in your car, and then talk to me about going without. The only reason I even have a working computer -- which is several years old and put together from spare computer parts that were given to me -- is because it is a requirement for the little money my family is able to make. I do not, EVER, have a spare $60 to spare on something as luxurious as a video game. So tell you what. You go eight years without a single luxury to your name, and then tell me I'm so horrible for downloading a few games online.

Asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

I lost my job two weeks ago. I've got enough in savings while I look for something new, because I don't live beyond my means.

Also, not all PC games are $60. The games I sold weren't. They were less than a price of a meal at McDonalds. Sometimes, less than the price of a gallon of gas. They can be played on systems older than my dog (he's 7, by the way)

You are horrible for stealing. Sorry, but you are.

And I'll see your eight years of sleeping in your car, and raise you eating the same sandwich for four days, without refrigeration. I've been there too. Except I didn't have a working computer. I used the libraries.

[(Anonymous)]

If you can't afford things, you shouldn't get to have them. Do you walk out of clothing stores with nice clothes you can't afford because they'll make being poor 'easier to bear'?

I'm like the other anon, I'm entertainment industry and I'm unemployed. It's currently incredibly hard out there for us, in part because of pirating. Let me explain how it works:

-Company makes X show. Bigwigs sit and wait to see if the money comes back.
-Money comes back, but notsomuch - show has gigantic fanbase but for some reason no one is watching it on TV/paying for the DVDs
-Bigwigs get pissed, decide that the next show they invest in they'll put less money into
-Quality of television goes down because we have less money to make shows
-People stop watching because there's no quality tv, investors put even LESS money out there
-Television is ruined

That's dramatic, but you get the point - pirating actually DOES have an effect on tv, and it shocks me that people who claim to love television so much are so determined to bring down the overall quality of tv for everyone.

Every time something is pirated by a fan, you're not respecting us at all, you're spitting in our faces. We made something, and if you can't afford to pay for it, then don't indulge in it. There's no OTHER industry where taking the fruits of someone's labor for free is considered OK.

It's almost like 'don't buy stuff you cannot afford', but imagine it's 'don't steal stuff and use 'But I waaaaaants it' as a petty justification to be a thief'.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/dont-buy-stuff/27169/

[(Anonymous)]

WELCOME TO THE RECESSION.

First of all, your input has no value you with me, because I don't pirate anything but the occasional video game here and there. Second of all, let's take a different approach to this little diagram of yours.

-Company makes X Show. Bigwigs sit and wait to see if the money comes back.
-Cable providing services raise prices because of the recession.
-N% of people are forced to drop their cable in favor of eating and keeping gas in the tank. (This would be me.)
-Money comes back, but notsomuch - show has gigantic fanbase but no one can afford the service to watch it.
-Bigwigs get pissed, decide that the next show they invest in they'll put less money into
-Quality of television goes down because we have less money to make shows
-People who still have cable stop watching because there's no quality tv, investors put even LESS money out there
-Television is ruined

In my area, the above is the way it goes more often than not. None of the people I know still have TV; if they can afford it, they use Netflix. Otherwise, they make do in other ways. Piracy may have contributed to this, but other things did too, so don't pretend it's OMG ALL THE PIRATES FAULT.

Also.

'don't steal stuff and use 'But I waaaaaants it' as a petty justification to be a thief'.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID IT? I'm NOT using it as a justification. I'm not using it as an excuse. Times are hard, fuck yeah. But that doesn't entitle me or anyone else to break the law. I've said in several places here that no, it's very not okay to do what I'm doing. And in a perfect world, I wouldn't need to. But it's not always about just ~wanting~ it. Sometimes it's about going-out-of-your-skull-insane and needing a distraction so bad because your depression (which is entirely based on your circumstances) is at a peak and you have nothing else. It's about being so hungry you can't even think and being unable to do anything about it because you have no food and no money to get more. It's about being under so much stress because the rent is due tomorrow and you don't have it that you're spending all your time in the bathroom throwing up.

At those times? I'm really fucking glad I pirated the games. The brief bits of happiness are worth the guilt at doing something less than legal. Does that make it okay? OF FUCKING COURSE NOT. But it's a reason. In the same way that being starving makes you steal food. It's not okay to steal it, but you have a reason to do so. A REASON. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop acting like I'm using it as an excuse; I'm not, and I've said over and over that I'm not.

[(Anonymous)]

Libraries are free. Books are neat. They don't move on their own however.

Pencil and paper costs less than a buck, (Which...is more than some video games!) You can draw with those, which is kind of a new way to go about not being depressed.

Yarn costs a buck, knitting needles can cost pennies at a second hand store. Learn a new craft. You can probably ask for a crochet hook from a friend or a LYS.

There are also PLENTY of flash games you could play.

You want a shiny ass video game instead of going out there and figuring something out for yourself. Want a game so bad? Get another job. Do something else that can bring money in. You're just as bad as the people who pirate games just because they don't FEEL like paying for them. You're just trying to justify it.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, this.

if i didn't pirate, i wouldn't be able to buy the game anyway. so they're not losing any money off me pirating, because i am too poor to buy it.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

That's sort of circular logic, though. By all accounts, they're still losing money, because you're getting their product for free. Although I suppose this can be argued even more circularly, given that the product isn't physical and therefore they haven't actually lost money, they've just failed to earn it...

I think I just confused myself, actually... XD

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

haha, yeah, i can see what you mean.

they've failed to earn my money, but ... they would have failed to earn my money had i not pirated it, because there is no physical way they could do so, seeing as i have no money for them to earn from me. therefore, they are no worse off than they are before.

but i do see what you mean, though. i think i've sort of confused myself too, haha.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, something like that XD It would be more clear-cut if it were a physical product that they had invested money in producing. Like, say, if you stole a TV from a store. The money they put into building the TV would be lost completely. But since we're talking about intellectual property, something that was not physically built and can easily be replaced by copying some files, if you wouldn't be able to buy it ANYWAY... they're not losing a profit off of you, they just aren't gaining one.

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[milo1047.livejournal.com]

There's a ton of money invested into making video games. It's not like they just say "shit let's make a game" and it magically happens. There are programmers, modelers, writers, voice-actors, artists, and a bunch of other people who all put effort into the game and all have to be paid by the production company, whether the game makes a cent or not.

So yes. It is a physical object they have invested money in. A TV isn't necessarily going to sell but they still have to pay the workers to put it together and buy the materials to make it.

This argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

The hostility is unwarranted. I was merely pointing out that the whole thing was made up of circular logic. I even stated to begin with that the argument could be made FURTHER circular by going down that path. I'm not actually advocating piracy. I was simply pointing out the flaws in their argument, and then noted that my own could be construed as equally flawed. I KNOW it's a bad argument; hence why I brought it up in the conversation, given what I was saying to this person.

In addition to this, you completely misread my statements. My point was not that they didn't invest money into making the game; my point was, if someone who does not plan on spending the money on buying a copy of the game ANYWAY downloads it illegally, the game company has not actually LOST money; they have just failed to earn any. They wouldn't have made a profit off of this person either way, and because it is not something physical that had to be made, they haven't lost any money off of the materials used to make it. They just haven't EARNED any off of them, either. That doesn't change the fact that it's still illegal and wrong to do so.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks.

I just recently lost my games based job, and I'm struggling to find anything else I can do, because there's a crap-ton of programmers out there, and a lot of people looking for work.

If people don't buy the games, we can't make more games, so...I suppose they're okay with shitty games, as long as they're 'free'.

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

That's fine, and I can definitely relate.

But not every person who gets a game without paying for it is in the same boat as you. Folks who can find it for free will still grab it. Because they can. If you couldn't afford to support a developer, even if you wanted to, you're not actually part of a problem.

[spam-27.livejournal.com]

You have a computer. Which was far more than I had for the longest time. When I finally got a computer all of my games were purchased for me or hand-me downs from friends.

People can live without games.

+1

[spiritlobo.livejournal.com]

agreed. Totally agreed: if you want it that much, save up money and buy it. Stealing it off-line takes away what money would have gone to workers who have families and bills and taxes too.