[ SECRET POST #1726 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1726 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

27. http://i54.tinypic.com/14wbzg3.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

For me it's because in season 5 Cas acted like he played no part in starting the apocalypse, dogging on Sam and Dean for their parts while ignoring his own explicit involvement. I don't blame him for following orders but I blame him for how he acted afterwards.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

You mean like a hypocrite? Yeah, because nobody else on this show is. Well, I mean, other than everybody.

[(Anonymous)]

And people never get angry about it when they are? Or just not when it's Cas?

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't get me wrong, his hypocrisy bothered me a lot. In fact it almost made me not like the character for awhile. But Dean's hypocrisy over the whole Crowley conspiracy upset me more. It's like everybody can fuck up but Castiel. Sam fucks a demon, drinks her blood, and ultimately sets Lucifer free. Bobby actually sells his soul to Crowley, damning himself to eternal torture that Dean himself had been through first-hand. But god forbid Castiel follow suit in order to save our world and his. Was it the right choice? No. He lied to and manipulated everyone involved and therefore deserved to be called out on his shit.

I'm upset because none of them had any room for that harsh of judgment and I'm equally upset that they spent the entire season not giving a shit about what he was going through until it involved them directly. They may be selfless heroes to strangers but when it comes to the people they "love" they can be the most selfless douchebags ever.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

And I just realized this has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Sorry about that. I guess it's still too fresh in my mind.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I'm not saying that it's fine and dandy that he did it, but you know, it wasn't something only he could have done. If he hadn't obeyed, they'd have killed him and someone else would have opened the door, big fucking deal.

And I just don't think that, if Sam and Dean found out, there'd be a noteworthy conflict. Because yeah, he had rebelled later on, so yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

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I need to stop writing yeah.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

I don't understand the rage because it happened three years ago. Do you know how much shit they've all done in three years? And you're hung up over that one little thing that would've happened anyways whether it be Cas or another angel? IDGI.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've seen several people say that they'll be mad if it doesn't get addressed this season and I just can't imagine that, at this point, Sam and Dean would be particularly hung up about it. That whole situation was a massive shitstorm and, considering ALL that's happened since then, Castiel confessing that under the duress of heaven he unlocked the Panic Room is probably not going to be high on their list of "things we will hold against you". I don't think it would even realistically be an issue. JMO.

Re: OP

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

Yeah, talk about a moot issue. Besides, in all honesty I'm sure Dean eventually came to the conclusion himself. If he would have brought up the issue around the time it happened then it would have made sense and been well deserved. But bringing it up now three (actually four canonically) years later is absurd.

[shichiloaf.livejournal.com]

I always assumed that they sent Cas to let Sam out as an extra punishment. Like a "here's your chance to show us how sorry you are for betraying us for the humans" kind of thing.

They could have just as easily sent another angel to do it, they just wanted to humiliate Cas just a liiiittle bit more.

My $0.02 on a 2 day old f!s thread ahahaha

[solira21.livejournal.com]

everyone on this show is a bundle of tragic flaws and daddy issues and it's silly to get caught on one little thing

I still love pretty much all the characters. It's easy to love a character once you realize you don't have to defend their every move...something a lot of the SPN fandom hasn't picked up on yet, apparently.

[tabaqui]

Man, this. My love for Show is as strong now as it was in season one. I *enjoy* it, and i'm sorry some people are so bitter and upset about it. It has flaws. It doesn't always do what i want/wish it would. But i still love the characters, and the world they inhabit.

[amberdiceless.livejournal.com]

What makes it unresolved for me is that Cas never actually confessed to the boys that he did it. It's part of an unfortunate pattern of behavior with him that I think contributed directly to the Season 6 train wreck: anything he's not proud of, he avoids admitting to until his friends find out much later, and once they do, it makes him look duplicitous even if his initial intentions were good or he was acting under duress.

Opening the panic room, turning Anna in, bringing Sam back soulless, working with Crowley...some of the disastrous consequences of those actions could have been averted or ameliorated if he had just been honest about them.

I suspect that keeping such secrets may also have made it easier for him to begin lying outright. I hate to use the term 'slippery slope,' but I think here maybe it does apply.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

But they clearly showed how he contemplated telling Dean. At that point he had the experience level of a toddler when it came to free will and choice and he (wronly) chose to leave him to his white Picket fence life. It was a matter of lack of experience not duplicity.

[amberdiceless.livejournal.com]

Clarification: it makes him look duplicitous from the point of view of his friends, who lack the viewer's fourth-wall perspective. Of course we know the whole story, but they can't.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't help but wonder if Castiel would be more open with his feelings/actions if the Winchesters didn't berate hi for so many of them. He reminds me of a child who has done something bad, knows its bad (but doesn't quite understand why), then hides the evidence and only tells an adult when directly asked about it. Which I suppose is an apt comparison. He is like a child when it comes to understanding things on earth. He doesn't fully understand free will and has spent 99% of his god-knows-how-long lifetime following orders. When he finally does make decisions on his own, they usually end badly and the WInchesters usually berate him for it.

[amberdiceless.livejournal.com]

That's a good point...Dean especially can be pretty critical, and Cas really seems to crave his approval and affection (not necessarily speaking in a shippy way, though it can be interpreted that way if you prefer.)

I think Dean's like his father in that he's not good at communicating that he still cares about people even when he's angry with them (he may not even feel sometimes as if he does, though we all know it.) And Cas, of course--like a little kid, as you say and as Dean keeps saying, ironically--can't really tell. It doesn't help that Dean has a very bad habit of blatantly holding their friendship over Castiel's head to secure his cooperation.

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

I can't relate to this either. Both Sam and Dean know Castiel was actively working to make what happened happen. Dean knows "the angels" (which at that time very much included Cas front and center) let Sam out, just as he knows Castiel kept him from getting to Sam to stop him. Even if Castiel hadn't opened the panic room he would have not prevented it or told Dean it was going to happen etc. It's not a secret that Castiel did many things to make Lucifer get out until the moment he wasn't.

[shichiloaf.livejournal.com]

I don't think Cas knew about the bigger picture up until 4.20, I think only the higher-up angels like Zachariah knew that the ultimate plan was to let Lucifer out, not keep him in. I think he did some digging around after 6.16 and found out what the real deal was, because Uriel had been fucking around behind his back, and then when he found out and tried to tell Dean about it they assreamed him.

Even before he rebelled at the end of season 4 I got the distinct impression that he wouldn't have gone along with a plot to let Lucifer free.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as we're at it, did Sam ever figure out that it wasn't Dean who left him the voicemail?

[jensenrick.livejournal.com]

NO, and this bothers me a lot more than anything Cassbutt did.

[tabaqui]

Uh....people are *really* still upset about this? It's so history, I can't even imagine....

[jensenrick.livejournal.com]

It's considered an unresolved issue . . . because it was never resolved.
See how definitions work?