[ SECRET POST #1775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

33. http://i.imgur.com/5hK7M.png

[sister-wife.livejournal.com]

I think that was sort of the point, anon. I usually hate the woobification of villains but I definitely think Tom was playing Loki from that angle (if you watch any interviews, you'll see he's clearly done a lot of thinking about the character and really feels for him.) And I sort of got the feeling that the movie was intended to be more of an parallel origin story for both Thor and Loki to set them up for The Avengers than it was any sort of Asgardian-on-earth-fish-out-of-water typical comic book movie.

tl;dr: I think that you were supposed to view him as an anti-villain.

[(Anonymous)]

Were they even trying to make him seem evil?

Ummm, I feel like you kind of answered your own question there when you mentioned the attempted genocide! No matter his reasons for it, I don't understand how you can dismiss attempting to exterminate an entire race. :/

I like Loki. A lot. He had interesting, complex motives for what he did, and it made him a fascinating character. But I'm a baffled by the woobiefication. Out of his many fangirls, it's only a tiny portion, but they seem to paint him as the victim of the film, the hero, the one suppressed and denied by the evil Thor and the nasty Asgardians.

Loki let the Frost Giants into the vault during the coronation ceremony, clearly with the plan to carefully manipulate Thor into thinking it was a good idea to attack the Frost Giants and declare war. He told Thor that Odin was dead and his own mother hated him so Thor would never come back to Asgard and upset Loki's claim to the throne. He tried to wipe out an entire race!

And you can argue that he did all this for his father's attention and he just wanted to be loved. But you can also argue that he did all this to prove he was better, to ~show them all~. He set up a plot on his father's life, which you could argue was simply so he could have the glory of rescuing him - he didn't want to earn that honour for real, so he faked it. You can say he was trying to be seen as trustworthy, but he never stopped lying and it was all lies to serve himself, to make himself look better, to make Thor look bad.

Again, I like Loki. He's not a black and white character. But he's certainly not the saintly prince the OP seems to be making him out to be.

[(Anonymous)]

This so much!

[canadian-kazz.livejournal.com]

THIS! A+++++

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm, you make an interesting point, but I got the impression Loki did it all to prove to himself that he was capable of doing the stuff he did, and showing others off was less important as long as he was equal to Thor. (But this is just my opinion...)

[math-camel.livejournal.com]

Wow. Do I have LJ based amnesia? Because this is exactly how I feel. Brain twins.

[inboots.livejournal.com]

this entire comment is perfection, but this is IT in a nutshell -

He set up a plot on his father's life, which you could argue was simply so he could have the glory of rescuing him - he didn't want to earn that honour for real, so he faked it. You can say he was trying to be seen as trustworthy, but he never stopped lying and it was all lies to serve himself, to make himself look better, to make Thor look bad.

GOLD. *this* is the issue. he's petty and manipulative as fuck.

[pet-lunatic.livejournal.com]

This!

Loki was well-socialised as a child, loved by his family, probably no more accidentally messed up by sibling rivalry and daddy issues than most people. And yet his response to his self-esteem issues is 'okay, I'll wipe out the entire race I came from, because they suck and it'll please Dad.'

Although, with the home town I'm from, I'm quite happy to have him as an example. Next time I have a confidence crisis I'm going back there with nukes. ;)

[radian]

You say this so much more eloquently then I could have.

[hermione-vader.livejournal.com]

Basically THIS. All of it.

Again, I like Loki. He's not a black and white character. But he's certainly not the saintly prince the OP seems to be making him out to be.

Exactly! I feel like both the rabid fangirls and the haters try to polarize him like that, and it's annoying no matter which side it comes from. I love how complex he is, but I still view him as a villain.

[greatbriton.livejournal.com]

this so much

[hermione-vader.livejournal.com]

Like someone said above, I'm pretty sure that was intentional, and I think that's one of the reasons that I loved this movie so much. Thor went out of its way to make sure that the audience genuinely understood where the supervillain is coming from, which is pretty rare for the genre when you think about it. But they also do a great job of showing what a master manipulation is, so you also question everything he says.

TL;DR: Don't feel bad, anon---he's supposed to be sympathetic, evil, and complex.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I didn't think he was much different than Thor, it's just that Thor's father gave him a second chance to learn a lesson when he exiled him. They were both after bloodshed.

I'm not trying to exempt Loki here, he had no qualms about carrying out mass murder. I just can't root for Thor either.

I did think Loki was a excellent villain though. He just had everything set up from the get go.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

I can't read your secret. There's not enough contrast between the background and the letters.

[inboots.livejournal.com]

just ONCE i'd like a loki secret to be about how someone DIDN'T find loki sympathetic at all in thor.

now, *that* would be interesting and fresh and secret worthy.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, I feel exactly the same way on this one. Maybe it's because I never read the Thor comics, but from the canon the movie presented only, then pretty much every action in the film was to reaffirm his place as an Asgardian. Not to mention his actor basically said that's how he chose to play his character in interviews. :/ Honestly, give me something tangible from the film that contradicts this. I don't see it, and I am usually pretty good at recognizing and admitting when I'm "woobifying" someone and when they're just a woobie.

[(Anonymous)]

Sooooo....it's not evil to attempt genocide if your motive is to get your family to love you?

[thezmage.livejournal.com]

Except he manipulated the entire situation. You don't see the inherent contradiction in being underhanded to "prove" your trustworthiness?

[(Anonymous)]

How can this be a secret? Still hate him tho, very overrated.

[(Anonymous)]

When I first watched Thor, I found Loki as a legitimately good villain, but then on FS I kept seeing people either say he's been woobie-fied by the fangirls or that he is indeed misunderstood and needs a hug. I watched it on DVD a couple weeks ago and yeah, others' opinions have kind of ruined Loki for me. I can't help but wonder if he is a woobie or not.

[duae.livejournal.com]

Do I love Loki as a villain? Yes. Do I think he thought he had great reasons for what he did? Yes. Do I think that makes him right? HELL NO.

And gawd, I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but... it's pretty obvious there are some Hitler parallels there. What with the possibility that Hitler himself was of Jewish ancestry and the charisma and attempted genocide to save his chosen blond blue eyed people? Not to mention that yes, after WWI Europe pretty much shat daily on Germany and the desire for respect made it so easy to get the country behind him.

He's supposed to show how people are capable of justifying horrible things if they think they're right.

Lets switch it just a bit, because family love and acceptance is something a lot of people can get behind, look at all the actions in the movie as he decided he was on a religious mission from Jesus Christ and if he did it he gains the Christian's God's love and acceptance? Would he be a religious nutjob?

Honestly, I think you're supposed to feel a little chill at his actions and ask yourself "Just how far would I go?" Not "Lol, daddy didn't love him enough? That totes makes murder A-Ok!"

[childings.livejournal.com]

Sometimes, I feel like the only person who saw that movie who didn't feel sorry for Loki. I mean, that actor is attractive, sure, but the character was ... I don't know, not all that sympathetic to me.

[zoey-says.livejournal.com]

I like Loki just because he had more dimensions and was more complex than any of the other characters. He was the most interesting to me. I don't completely sympathize with him though. Perhaps for the first 20-30 minutes of the movie I felt for him, which I guess was the point. After he turned out to be a dick, yeah, not so much. But I still enjoyed the character. Without him the movie would've been sooooo booooring.

[avocado-love.livejournal.com]

He had some layers but after the first half hour or so it was clear he was the villain. I didn't find his motives to make him more sympathetic at all. Still, he was the best part of a very flat movie.