[ SECRET POST #1837 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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[Glee]


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[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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[Magic Mike]


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16. [repeat]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeah, making Irene a lesbian when the WHOLE EPISODE was about how hung up she was on Sherlock was stupid. And don't give me, "It was just his mind she was attracted to"--she VERY CLEARLY wanted to have sex with him. I don't buy "She's a dominatrix, she thinks about everything in terms of sex." either. John's a doctor, he doesn't think of every thing in terms of medicine. It's called compartmentalizing, and most people--especially smart people, which she was supposed to be--can do it quite well.

It's not like she was canonically gay and they wanted to play with that--Moffat MADE her a lesbian, then had her chasing after Sherlock for the whole fucking episode.

E.T.A.: And having her be a lesbian for that one scene with John (I'm not gay" "I am. But here we are")... sorry, not worth it. but as long as they're going there; are we going to get to see John and Sherlock holding hands in front of the fire? Seems only fair...

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Agreed so much. When I first watched it and she said she was gay, I thought she was kidding, like just pointed out how John and Sherlock's relationship was and that sexuality didn't matter because they were both hung up on him or something. Then it was like, 'wait, she's really a lesbian? Why? Omg why would you write that and have her only interest in the whole episode be a guy?'

[(Anonymous)]

I liked the lesbian thing. Well, I liked it as a lesbian, cause I liked the character, but I also wasn't too bothered by it in terms of the ending.

I saw the episode primarily as a character study of Holmes, focusing on his asexuality. They made Irene, who in the original story was involved in the modern equivalent of a sex scandal, his foil in that regard. Sherlock, as a character is consciously removed from romance, emotion, and sex, which is an angle the new show likes to explore. On the other hand, Irene not only is connected to those things, she purposefully takes control of them. They were both undone in one way by how they handled their emotions. Sherlock was beaten because he gave into his (his desire to be impressive) and Irene was beaten by losing control over her own. I thought, as foils, they worked perfectly.

Sure, it is super problematic that they included the whole "woman is defeated by her emotions" trope, and even more problematic that the character was a lesbian. But I'm way less offended by it than I would have been if it hadn't actually been done for a reason, and allowed for the story to move in an interesting way.

And on the note of the "I'm not gay" scene, I did think it was there to say something interesting about the way the show wants to handle sexuality. These characters' attractions aren't solely in terms of gay and straight, or sex and emotions. Again, I can see the problems, but they did use it to address something that is frequently brought up in the stories.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

I did think it was there to say something interesting about the way the show wants to handle sexuality. These characters' attractions aren't solely in terms of gay and straight, or sex and emotions

To an extent, I can see this, but, the fact that Moffat chose to illustrate this by making a lesbian woman fall for a man is really skeevy and offensive to me, especially given the insidious cultural idea we see everywhere that lesbians just need to "find the right man" or "try sex with a man" and they will magically turn straight. (Full disclosure: I'm bi, but I'm in a relationship with a woman.) I was really, really offended by it.

And the whole "woman is defeated by her emotions" and "woman needs saving by a man" shit was just. ugh. But it's not like everybody didn't already know Moffat is a misogynist of epic proportions.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Agreed. I think having supposedly-straight John show more of attraction to Sherlock would work a lot better than "the lesbian wants to get herself some cock!"

Yes, I am a Sherlock/John shipper, but still; having the straight person have a gay attraction is FAR more unusual and subversive than having the gay character have a straight one.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Definitely agreed. Hell, if he'd gone that way...

Well, I still would have hated the episode for the way it treated Irene (OH MY GOD do not get me started, especially on his making "The Woman" her goddamn working title as a dominatrix rather than the title she earned oh my god).

But I would have at least had a little squee.

John/Sherlock is my OTP, and it would have been awesome to see that. Unlikely, though, since hasn't Moffat tried to claim Sherlock is straight or some bull?

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've said elsewhere the "The Woman" thing bugged me, though for different reasons: It's taking a minor thing from canon, something that's almost an in-joke, really, and making it... pointlessly obvious, is the best way I can think to put it.

I don't know if Moffat has tried to say Sherlock is straight, though he's doing his damnedest to to portray him as such.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I get that. For me, it's.. all about the fact that in the canon, "the woman" is the title she earns by beating Sherlock. He calls her that because she so eclipses other women in cleverness to him (which is, well, misogynistic, but then again, when the stories were written..). To demote it to her working title as a sex worker.. makes it sexual and also discounts its importance.

Yeah. Which really bothers me, if only because he doesn't read that way to me. Thank god we have Gatiss to love us, may he write all the episodes ever from now on.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

In fairness, only four people beat Holmes, and one of them was a woman. I imagine a lot of Doyle's contemporaries wouldn't have even done that much.

And, yeah, she doesn't really earn the title in this. d-:

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Oh, yeah. I'm not criticizing Doyle here - for the time, the story was really quite progressive, I think.

Not at all :\ which bothered me possibly more than anything else, because it got right to the heart of how wrong it all was. And it really was just... all wrong.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Re: Doyle: Ah, ok. (-:

Yeah, I have all sorts of issues with the portrayal of Adler. And the episode in general, really.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

the title she earns by beating Sherlock.

There is one thing I really want to point out here:

In canon, the worst thing Irene did (iirc) is... own a picture she COULD have used to blackmail a king.

In BBC Sherlock Irene:
Tried to blackmail a government official. Not just "could have" She DID. And almost succeeded.
Was responsible for the death of at least one woman (that body Sherlock saw in the morgue had to come from somewhere...)
Worked with Sherlock's greatest enemy, and it's implied that if he had had any demands, she would have made Sherlock, Mycroft, and god knows who else, carry them out.

So, yeah, the "she was defeated by her womanly emotions" thing is pretty sickening, but, honestly THIS version of Irene is NOT a nice person, and possibly a cold-blooded murderer (the show never really bothers to go into how she obtained that body--we're just supposed to not care about one woman's death, as long as Irene is alive cuz she's so awesome!), and it's actually a good thing she didn't win.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

I agree with you, really, but I do think that portraying her that way was one of the essential failings of Moffat's writing and of the episode... not to mention pretty sexist and ridiculous to begin with.

When I was watching the episode I actually started kind of snarking on this -- "Of course Irene is evil here, Sherlock can't face anyone who isn't totally bad!" Ugh.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeah, making her so villainous is a problem in and of itself...

Honestly, the only villain in Sherlock that I would ever want to see again was the cabbie from the first episode (and that's certainly not happening...). All the other villains were either boring or annoying. And that includes Jim.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of people missed the point of her relationship with Sherlock and why he was able to defeat her. Irene loved him in the same way John does, while Sherlock loved her intelligence and the fact that she was a challenge. However, she couldn't hide her true emotions as well as him because no one can. It had nothing to do with being a woman.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

But the issue is that her "loving Sherlock the way John does" inherently makes her a lesbian who has fallen for a man, which is a pretty regular, really offensive and skeezy straight male fantasy, and a stereotype/trope that's seen all too regularly in media. You know, the lesbian who just needs to "find the right man"? If Irene hadn't been a lesbian, her falling for Sherlock wouldn't have mattered, really, but making her a lesbian who falls for a man is really, really gross and skeevy.

Ditto, the whole "woman fails because her emotions get the better of her" schtick is a common sexist trope, and utilizing it here - especially when in the canon literature Irene beats Sherlock - is gross and misogynistic. It makes the connection to the usual trope of women not being able to control their emotions, where men are "logical" and can, and thus men are shown as "better" and "stronger" than women.

So yeah, it has everything to do with her being a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

But there was nothing sexual about her feelings for Sherlock. She felt drawn to him because of her love for detective stories and playing games. I don't see that as a woman "looking for a man". I'm a lesbian, and I wasn't offended by it. I actually loved how they didn't make a fuss about her being a lesbian.

She did beat him though. If you look at it as several stages to the game rather than one continuous thread, she beat him many times throughout the episode. He was able to figure out the passcode, but at the end of the day he still fucked up and as a result no one really came out as the victor. They would probably continue on like that forever.

Again, it wasn't because he's a man. It's because he's SHERLOCK. Anyone in Irene's position wouldn't be able to control how their body reacts to someone. I agree with the general consensus that Moffat isn't the best at writing women characters, but imo people are going too far with the accusations made from this episode.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

But there was nothing sexual about her feelings for Sherlock.

The whole scene in front of the fireplace was her trying to get into his pants.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt that's what she was actually trying to do. She was playing the game and making Sherlock vulnerable.