[ SECRET POST #1837 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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03.
[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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04.
[Glee]


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05.
[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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14.
[Magic Mike]


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16. [repeat]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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http://i43.tinypic.com/351bl2d.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Those things are true. I'm also pretty sure they've already been pointed out many, many times.

[(Anonymous)]

Then nobody must mention them ever, ever again for fear of offending you.

[murderershair.livejournal.com]

OP probably needs to dig around more in Whodom- I could see how if you only hung out on one or two main comms, you wouldn't know that.

Still, I'm going to hang back with some popcorn and watch this thread go nuts.

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

Wrong fandom circles? The areas of the Doctor Who fandom I personally frequent are super critical of Moffat; I've seen multiple rants about the whole "women are only strong because of their reproductive organs" thing. Which is pretty awful, but yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to know where you hang out, because all I see is endless Moffat worship/Rusty bashing and vicious criticism dished out to anyone who dares to point out Moffat's flaws.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeah, making Irene a lesbian when the WHOLE EPISODE was about how hung up she was on Sherlock was stupid. And don't give me, "It was just his mind she was attracted to"--she VERY CLEARLY wanted to have sex with him. I don't buy "She's a dominatrix, she thinks about everything in terms of sex." either. John's a doctor, he doesn't think of every thing in terms of medicine. It's called compartmentalizing, and most people--especially smart people, which she was supposed to be--can do it quite well.

It's not like she was canonically gay and they wanted to play with that--Moffat MADE her a lesbian, then had her chasing after Sherlock for the whole fucking episode.

E.T.A.: And having her be a lesbian for that one scene with John (I'm not gay" "I am. But here we are")... sorry, not worth it. but as long as they're going there; are we going to get to see John and Sherlock holding hands in front of the fire? Seems only fair...

[van.livejournal.com]

I would call Moffat VERY SUBTLE when comparing his stories to RTD, who would beat you over the head with the message, then do it again with trumpets blaring, angels singing, music swelling, fire exploding and rain falling all the same time. I'll take Moffat's semi-subtle over THAT any day. Moffat has a ton of problems. A TON. I will not deny that. But he's still a much better, more coherent storyteller than RTD. (At least on average; I do like some of RTDs stories, and I do hate some of Moffat's. And this is saying nothing of characters, because I think RTD comes up with better characters than Moffat.)

But I'd still pick Moffat over RTD. It's sort of the lesser of two evils, but a lot of people probably don't see it that way. They just see what ridiculous, over the top, incoherent, often masturbatory stuff RTD put out, and react twice as happy for the breathe of cool, fresh, sane air that is Moffat. The moment at the end of the most recent Christmas special, where the Doctor wipes his eyes and smiles, but doesn't repeat the whole "human's crying, lol" line is a perfect example. He isn't beating the audience over the head with that any more. He lets you connect the dots. Compare that to David Tennant bawling like an immature baby during his regeneration going, "I DUN WANNA LEAVE" AFTER we've had like a twenty minute segment of him tearfully saying goodbye to every companion he ever had (something that has never been done for any Doctor ever). We get it. RTD The Doctor doesn't want to leave. You don't need to beat us over the head with it for two hours...

But hey, those are just, like my thoughts, man. Believe what you want.

(I agree that Moffat needs some help on writing characters, but most of his stories are okay.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not really sure how he can be accused of being a sacred cow these days when so many of the comments about him seem to be about how he's a misogynist or a bad writer etc.Pretty much everytime his name shows up in these secrets it's usually critical. I think that would probably make him the opposite of a sacred cow.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Ugh that Doctor Who special. So much facepalm. "As I woman, I respect her enough not to shoot her, woman to woman, yaknow." "You're strong, because your a mother!" Yes mothers can be tremendously strong people, but it was just like... because she had babies, not because of all the choices and decisions she had to make raising them. (After they went through all that nonsense about the sister being stronger solely because she was a girl.)

And Mothership. YOUR PUN IS SO BAD. Crying rn tbh.

[azure15.livejournal.com]

Wrong fandom circles fo 'sho. Moffat isn't popular at all with areas of the Dr Who fandom.

I knew he was going to screw up Adler. He has such a problem writing for strong women, he seems to trip over himself in his sheer excitement over how amazing they are.

I thought Adler being a lesbian was actually a brilliant twist... until she spent most of the episode giggling like a schoolgirl after the very male Sherlock. So being a lesbian was for shock value? For fanservice? Why bother putting it in if you're not going to stick to it?

I just find it annoying is how no modern adaptation has her husband.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

It really depends on which circles you hang out in. My circle of friends is very skeptical of Moffat.

Personally, ITA that his plots are pretty suspect. Moffat tends to go for ~flashy~ plot twists over actually having his plots make any sense. I mean, even in series 5, that crack made no sense. Over and over again the plot tells us that falling into the crack means that a person is erased from time and history. But then the Doctor goes into the crack (which as we saw in "Turn Left") should have had a HUGE impact on the history of Earth, but... apparently not. And of course, series 6 was a huge mess of non-sense making complicated plots. A lot of times it feels like Moffat just makes his plots super complicated in hopes that no one will be able to figure out what is actually happening and thus they won't notice that none of it makes any sense.

I've posted this here before but I think it's worth posting again.



And yes, his character writing is pretty awful. Neither Amy nor Rory reacted in a believable way to losing their baby. He basically writes his characters to fit the plot. Like at the end of "Day of the Moon" where the Doctor actually says, "So, this little girl, it's all about her. Who was she? Or we could just go off and have some adventures. Anyone in the mood for adventures? I am. You only live once." So the Doctor, who in 5x02 a huge deal was made out of how he can't bear to see children cry, is just going to abandon that lost little girl so he can go have adventures. LOL OK. NICE CONSISTENT CHARACTERIZATION THERE. But see, Moffat HAD to write the Doctor OOC because if the Doctor found the little girl then we couldn't have had the hot mess that was "Let's Kill Hitler". And then Moffat has to have River be like "oh yes! I lie all the time!" in order to retcon past episodes to have them make any sort of sense. Well... ok then. It's just shoddy writing all around.

[(Anonymous)]

I also think Moffat's characterization of female characters is really not good at all, but I wasn't that upset with his characterization of Irene. I identify as a lesbian, and I do have the very occasional crush on or relationship with men. I liked that Irene was like me, with a fluid sexuality. However, I don't really think that was what Moffat was going for, so I'd definitely agree with you there. I think he really often sets up his female characters with a lot of potential, and then it falls flat because he bases on their power on their baby-making skills, or just makes them ridiculous.

And I don't think this is an unpopular opinion, at all. I find more people who don't like Moffat's writing than people who do like it.

[(Anonymous)]

lol "sacred cow"

what part of the fandom are you in OP?

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Get out of that loser section of fandom, and come to the good side. This secret is actually a really common sentiment.

Moffat, imo, has interesting and mighty cool concepts, but he executes and expands them terribly. Same with his characters; fun to consider, but frustrating to think about. I think he works better in small doses, episodic doses, so he has less time to fuck everything up with a lengthy, nonsensical arc full of inconsistencies. I love the way he writes dialogue, and there's always these neat nuggets of characterization, but he ALWAYS sprays a can of stupid all over it.


Just. AUGH. Irene really disappointed me :( She's basically like the worst version, and out really irks me that Moffat went around talking about how other adaptations never get her right, but then he goes and not only gets her wrong, he gets the whole point of the original story wrong. It's like reading his personal "how it should have ended" fan fiction.

:(

[(Anonymous)]

Well, apparently many people (though not here on fandomsecrets) disagree with your interpretations?

I, for example, thinks he's great with plotting, does wonderful characterisation, and most definitely don't reduce women to their genitals. I definitely disagree with your reading of Irene, and think you're the one who missed the point of her character.

[(Anonymous)]

You're hanging out in the wrong parts of the fandom, then.

[hako-neko.livejournal.com]

She was bisexual in Sherlock. Or did you miss the part where it said she had affairs with "both parties?"

You have some good points, but don't excuse bisexualism.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Agreed so hard.

Fuck Moffat and his horrible, misogynistic, badly-written crap.

Seriously, I hate him. He ruins everything he touches, for me at least. He's driven DW into the ground to the point where I don't want to watch it anymore, and IMO "A Scandal in Bohemia" was the absolute worst Sherlock episode yet. Yes, even worse than "The Blind Banker." AUGH.

He's such a misogynistic pig. And as of that Sherlock ep, has added homophobia (again, actually, come to think of it - his "all women just want to find a man and get married!" schtick is pretty homophobic, too) to his repertoire. Lovely. I hate him so much. Not to mention he's an awful writer who couldn't plot his way out of a paper bag, but hey.

[radges.livejournal.com]

I don't like Moffat, but I don't like Russel T. Davies. OMG RUSSEL IS SO PERF. He's actually just as much of a dick as Moffat so...

[(Anonymous)]

Except for the fact that everyone seem to believe that every female character Moffat writes should represent every female in the world or something, I mostly agree these arguments from people thinking Moffat can't write female characters.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

........I should just stay away from this thread.

*is bisexual*

*FUCKING FREAKED OUT with happiness over Irene fucking badass Adler in A Scandal in Bohemia*

*WILL get dogpiled if I talk about this more here*

though yeah, I'm not in Who fandom but I have friends that are, and Moffat's been catching shit for the way he writes women LIKE ALL OVER THERE, dude.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't see it that way, sorry o_____O

[(Anonymous)]

What really irks me is that the same people who screamed bloody murder about Rusty's 'racefail' (i.e. POC having unrequited love for white characters) are the same folks who completely ignore that two years in, Moffat has had NO POC as central characters. Hypocrisy much?

[miff-falden.livejournal.com]

From what I've seen of Doctor Who fans, the fandom concensus is actually "moffat sux bring back russell t davies!".