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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-01-15 04:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #1839 ]

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(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
As the "Weird thing"/"Both [would be] legitimate" anon from above, I have to say that if you don't like the way the friendship is going, you have no obligation to continue it. If you bring up that she should seek help, remember to sound as nice as possible. Not only will it make your friend more likely to listen, but it'll make cutting ties if she gets mad feel more like the right thing to do.

(I would also add that maybe you should try to look at why your friend is getting mad and just figure out what looks legitimate and what seems a little much. I tend to... try to empathize. Emotions are emotions and they can be hard to control, which is why I'm saying this.)

But seriously, you're not obligated to do anything you don't want to, and that's the big thing here.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
From what OP said further down thread, I think they may be using "offend" when they really mean "set off." According to OP, Friend's behavior is erratic; some days she'll be calm and cheerful, other days her temper is on a hair-trigger and she snaps/blows up at everyone.
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[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess you're just trolling but my brain is really straining to figure out how you came up with that one.

Not only am I pro-choice and avidly support women's health (being a woman has something to do with that), I have financially supported Planned Parenthood in the past. What have you done besides troll on the internet?

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

It's not quite flawless to me because of the mix and match approach to the stories and the fact that Eastern Europe doesn't look anything like London (though they try hard) - plus they have some truly strange minor casting choices. But Solomin Watson: he pretty.

[identity profile] frostoria.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I wonder why so many people cheered when he killed Maverick, yet doesn't agree with his philosophy.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but it's a real shame to see what I'm assuming to be a fellow pro-choicer so unwilling to believe that abortion can hurt people. This is not what the abortion debate is about and for you to render it such means you probably don't even care about women's feelings, or women's rights even.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
omg finally someone who gets it this is so rare

not even trolling just too scared to post unanon lol

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The only evidence I have you'd dismiss as me trolling or lying to prove a point.

[identity profile] lovelycudy.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Good luck, OP. This is a very difficult decision to make and I think it's obvious you made it after thinking it trough. As others have said, it's not a particularly dangerous procedure and I'm sure you will be fine.

All my best wishes to you.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Bearing in Mind Granada (and Brett) sticks to the books like a limpet ( one or two eps and later seasons somewhat [occasionally a lot] excepted), that is hardly surprising.
It simply IS more faithful: it was designed to be so.
What pisses many Granada fans off more is the way Ritchie (and many movies fans who haven't even seen Granada) engage in knocking copy, trying to say it's "stodgy". Brett? Stodgy? Hahahahaha.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
But whos's the BNF? Pyro?

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I should agree, but sometimes I love the wank. And there are some BNFs who just have it coming.

[identity profile] karuvapatta.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought I was the only one. I hate her voice so much, it sounds so jarring and out of place.
Edited 2012-01-16 17:42 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not. Reread.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This.
By definition, BNFs are BNFs because they are very productive in fandom, or very central to it, being a source of material / news / whatever.
So it's not exactly "easy to ignore", if you want to keep up to date with fandom.

Heck, there's this "medium-named fan" in my fandom that I can't stand because we know each other IRL, there's been drama involved, and most of her opinions irk me.
It turns out that she popped up on the board I'm posting on, and that a lot of people love her there (and in other fandom places) because she wrote popular fics. I wasn't aware of that before I started disliking her, because I don't read fic.
But it makes it really hard for me to ignore her completely. And I can't express myself on the board about it because she's popular so I'd make enemies... And some of her friends / fans are people I like.

So, it is a nuisance I can't really get rid of, because her posts still irk me very often. And I don't want to leave a good board just because she posts there.

[identity profile] hiyami.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
How does she not count just because she's almost as old as Crystal? How does that make any sense? And if we're only judging recent girls, then what about White? She's probably the sportiest protagonist yet.

And I wouldn't call her "pretty girly" in Emerald because I hardly consider that to be a dress. It barely covers her crotch. It's more like a really long shirt that she wears with shorts underneath. She's also wearing very practical shoes and gloves, and there's nothing about her "dress" that indicates it will get in the way of her adventuring.

Also, even if Lyra is girly, her outfit isn't impractical. It looks pretty damn comfortable to me. The only characters that you can say are sacrificing sense for the sake of femininity are Dawn and Leaf, and that's two out of six girls.

If it was just that, then that's one thing (even if I do think it's silly to be upset over something so minor) but she claimed that it was SEXIST for her to be replaced by a girly character, which is so not true.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That's totally not even what she said.

Hiding something as trivial as watching anime is just stupid, and if you're so afraid that your partner will react badly to it that you have to hide it, that's a problem.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this.

When you're an adult in the working world, telling your co-workers (many of whom may be from a generation that didn't have anime or manga at all) that you love anime/manga is likely to get you more than an "oh, that's odd" reaction, even if that's all they show on the surface.

[identity profile] intrigueing.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate them the most because it's so POINTLESS. Why would you bash something you don't care about at all when all it does is ruin other people's fun? If you really like a show/series/whatever and are disappointed in plot twists or bad development or something, or you have some legitimate problem with a work (re: Twilight's portrayal of "romance") I can understand complaining, but what is the fucking point of going "lol I hate this" for no reason?

[identity profile] kindlycoyote.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wooooooow.

Hun, sit down and take a chill pill. One, I mentioned that I probably would not have cared nearly as much if it wasn't in conjunction with a lot of other stuff that was going on. Two, the anon who replied to you was right in saying it's different to make a girly character rather than replace a tough one with a girly one. Three?

Three is that I do like a lot of 'girly' protagonists/characters, when done well. Like Lily (How I Met Your Mother), Lola (from a book), Mara (also from a book), Glenda (from the Wicked Musical)... girlishness I find is just fine when it's a fleshed out character. Partly I feel this way because my sister is very girly, but still kicks ass and is one of the toughest and proudest people I know. Girlishness is not a problem in and of itself.

What is a problem is that in a lot of Anime, I had noticed that women who were tough were many times either replaced by or made into a girly character. Or were shown to be 'lesser' through narrative or other means than the girly character. During that time I read one Manga that flat out stated that women, no matter how tough or well-trained they were, would freeze in a crisis while a man, no matter how timid or 'weak' they were, would rise to take over the situation.

It was in the form of a inspiring monologue and everything.

This I read right before I saw the character changed, so you bet I felt annoyed as all hell. It isn't that a character is girly, but that in many cultures and in many peoples' eyes a girly girl is superior to a tomboy or any other type of woman. THIS is my issue, because no one is superior. We all rock equally. And I'm sick of people making judgement calls about how people choose to live their life.

Hell, I'm not even a tomboy or particularly tough looking myself. I like lipstick and sleek curve-hugging dresses with pimped-out high-heels. Sure, I also like to throw on cargoes and hoodies, but I would no more classify myself a tomboy as I would a diva. *shrugs*

TL'DR- You barkin' up the wrong tree.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] intrigueing.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with your first point, but I thought that was kind of the whole point: it was obviously a bad choice, even if it was understandable, and I'm pretty sure she'll realize that soon.

As for the second...well, I think that's jumping to conclusions. The Law Of Inverse Fertility doesn't always apply, sometimes people who have no interest in having kids learn they're infertile, and how are they supposed to react? No matter how far kids are from their mind, do you think anyone would be actually happy to learn they were infertile? It's totally realistic for them to be conflicted and sad because the choice and hypotheticals were torn from them, just as it's realistic for a person who wants kids to feel lost and sad because their hopes and dreams were torn for them. I didn't see any evidence that Robin started pining for kids and being some average woman who suddenly wanted a conventional life. Just because she was sad and wistful doesn't mean she suddenly desperately wanted kids and a regular life. She was shaken because her future suddenly had a door slammed on the path of "motherhood", and even if she wasn't planning on kids, it's understandable for anyone, but ESPECIALLY Robin, who values her freedom to control her own life, be her own person, do whatever the hell she wants, and make her own choices so highly (which ironically is part of the reason she never wanted kids) to be extremely upset over that.

And my statement that she didn't suddenly start wanting a conventional life isn't just my opinion, it's fact: Future!Ted confirmed that in the future between 2011 and 2030, Robin became a famous journalist, a successful businesswoman, a world traveler, and a frickin' bullfighter. Nothing conventional about that at all. And just because she was sad at the news that she couldn't ever have kids (seriously, WHO wouldn't be?), doesn't mean she didn't enjoy that life.

As for all her personal problems and the shit she's gone through: bad things happen to people. It's a rough patch in her life no doubt. I'm sure she'll get through it.

TL;DR: just because Robin was upset about having the choice to control her future torn from her, doesn't mean she suddenly wants a conventional life, and based on Future Ted's spoilers, she had a gloriously unconventional one.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-16 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I know most people don't get this because they think their way of enjoying themselves is the Only Right Way, but hating things can be fun too.

[identity profile] intrigueing.livejournal.com 2012-01-16 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. I'm sure there are a few stupid emo kids who cut because they want to seem like special snowflakes out there, but the vast majority of people who self-harm have genuinely legitimate problems and have actual emotional reactions to the subject. Assuming people who self-harm are all emo kids is either disgustingly insensitive or really misinformed.

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