[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 50 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Are you sure it isn't like Twilight in that it reads like fanfiction?

...Seriously, if I didn't read Twilight for myself in book format I would have assumed it was a bad Vampire AU fic. It is kinda hard to rip it off, because it is so chock full of cliches of Vampire Romance that it makes my head hurt. Except for the sparkling. The sparkling is at least new, even if it is one of the things that makes it impossible for the Meyer vampires to be actual vampires.

No lie. There are only two universal constants in vampire-dom worldwide, and Twilight is lacking both. Fascinating!

[fae-boleyn.livejournal.com]

What two constants are you referring to? Because if one is death by sunlight, I can think of at least one other 'verse that does not have that. And the Nyeusigrube vampires are definitely vampires. I am not defending Twilight (which is a series that makes me sad; there are seeds of something actually good if written by a writer with real talent) but just wondering what the constants are.

[kayleen-san.livejournal.com]

'Death by sunlight' wasn't even one that was popular until Nosferatu was released, if I recall correctly.

But I'm interested in the constants as well, just because I can't think of them myself, haha.

[fae-boleyn.livejournal.com]

But Nosferatu's old enough that it is pretty much expected of all modern vampires. I remember being surprised by the Nyeusigrube crew (these are the YA books written by Amelia Atwater-Rhodes) because her vamps were like regular nocturnal beings. They preferred darkness, and the more powerful the vamp, the more uncomfortable they were in sunlight, but it was never a serious debility for them.

[kayleen-san.livejournal.com]

This is true. I wasn't sure how far back the OP of the two traits comment was going.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

I must admit, I dislike Nosferatu for making that a trope! But I am a big folklore geek, so expect me to be irrational on that. (And I am a animal geek, and the whole 'wolf is a hyena wtf?' made me crack up and face palm SO HARD.)

But anyway, replied about the constraints below if interested. :)

[vicfrankenstein.livejournal.com]

Me too! I was never actually big into vampires, but there was a class in my college about vampires (the same teacher also did a class about horror movies and one about folklore in which vampires were covered again) that I took because I wanted to read Dracula. I totally agree with the frustration on the whole sunlight trope. I don't understand why it became big.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Sorry, missed your comment!

Anyway, the two constants I figured out from when I was researching for my own vampire book in-the-works and read a huge dictionary of vampires, were these:

1: Must have some form of symbiotic connection to the night. Whether this manifests in their true nature being revealed by night, strength gained from the moon (such as in "The Vampyre"), or their primary means of hunting, etc.

2: The option of being a parasitic feeder. Which means that though they can kill their prey right off the bat, they have the ability to slowly feed off of it over time. Whether this is feeding off blood, energy, or etc is irrelevant.

Twilight vampires hunt mostly on cloudy days and we do not see them having any kind of relationship with the Night, or even darkness. In fact, their sparkliness puts them into the day category quite firmly. It is also impossible for them to feed off their prey without killing them or turning them naturally.

Now, depending on the narrative and how many other 'vampire-y traits' you have going you can usually get away with violating one of these. But both is pushing it, especially when you do some crazy things with the narrative.

Seriously though, if Meyer had made them pagan gods? That would have been kinda awesome. (Many pagan gods were said to have shone, many required at times blood sacrifices, etc.) Then again if she couldn't research vampires well enough... yeah, probably a good thing she didn't touch on that.

[fae-boleyn.livejournal.com]

Pagan gods would have been brilliant, or even an original immortal being. Though I actually thought it wasn't a research fail, but a conscious defiance of most vampire traits. It might also have been both. I mean, I give the "sparkly vampire" thing points for going against the grain in terms of sunlight = death, but it was a really bad method for doing so. Which makes me sad, because while I agree with the constants you mentioned, the sunlight = death trait is very prevalent and I like turning things on their head. But not when said turning is badly done.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Agreed. And the only reason I call it a research fail is because in interviews she has said that she only googled vampires for research. (I was in a Vampires in Literature; From Dracula to Twilight course in college. For the Twilight portion I engaged in some epic hating which made me dig up all the interviews. I have since let a lot of it go, but the knowledge is still there.)

And yesssss. I really don't mind changing up the constraints, and I really dislike the sunlight = death trope (Except in works like Near Dark. Exploding vampire western? ...AWESOME), but the whole disco-ball thing... Especially since it only works in direct natural light? What?

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

My personal theory is that the twilight vamps have fae blood in them, and that's why they sparkle in natural light, but of course, that's just my theory, lol. |D

[romanticide-xd.livejournal.com]

there are faeries that drain humans lifeforce, hell even drink blood. If you told me the vampires in twilight are actually fairies I would bat an eye.

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

Well, me theory is that they were once fae, but the "real" vampires started turning fae in a twisted joke, only for the faepires to slowly have none of the weaknesses that "real" vampires have, and thus the "real" vampires screwed themselves over.

So, I mean, Twipires aren't fae per se... But far that were turned and it's a long story, lol. |D

[romanticide-xd.livejournal.com]

I like that idea XD A lot XD even if it's about twilight XD

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I was thinking far to much about it, lol. |D