[ SECRET POST #1849 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1849 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Any time people jump all over someone for using the term "bitch", I think they've totally lost touch in their pursuit of SJ awareness. It's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of. It's pejorative language, it's MEANT to be pejorative. Just because it began as a sexist term doesn't mean it's something like "cunt". Stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

^ This.

[(Anonymous)]

This so much. It always baffles me when people say, "Don't use that word! It's sexist!" ...Except the word itself is meant to be offensive no matter which way you use it, so what's the point? So "bitch" isn't acceptable in polite conversation, but "fucker" and "asshole" are? Isn't that like saying, "Don't take a dump on your boss's shoes, but it's okay to do it in their office"?

[smittenlotus.livejournal.com]

This. Holy shit. "Cunt" is on a whole other level of offensive, and refers specifically to women. "Bitch" can be used to describe someone (not just women) who's seen as pushy, rude, bossy, flat-out mean or excessively whiny.

[kathkin.livejournal.com]

I'm not disagreeing that either word is offensive, but I'd actually think of 'cunt' as being more commonly directed at men than women, whereas 'bitch' is exclusively directed either at women or at men who are seen as feminine. I think it might be a regional thing? (I'm in the UK.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I looked into this a while ago, because I was puzzled too.

The connotations the word has in America, mean it is a horribly misogynistic term used against women exclusively. If I were American, I would consider it a misogynistic word. The connotations it has in the UK, it isn't a misogynistic word, just an offensive term to use towards people otherwise covered by "douche" and "dick". "Twat" is very similar, but with less heat, so Americans will also lecture you on how you are horribly misogynistic and "are claiming that the UK is a magical land where sexism doesn't exist" if you use it.

The solution is to object to every single American who uses the word "spaz" online, and point out how offensive and ableist it is. I've never actually tried accusing them of pretending that America is a magical land where there is no prejudice against the disabled, because I'm not that much of a twat even when people are being terribly dense about language and culture not being American everywhere. Even when they try to claim that words are offensive purely because of their denotation in this one case.

[(Anonymous)]

My solution? Everyone is a wanker, a tosser, a toerag, or an arsehole. Use 'bloody' beforehand for extra emphasis.

I will confess to using 'twatwallet' occasionally. If one takes the literal meaning of it... well, that's a number of quite odd mental images.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, I'm from America and it's not considered universally sexist "in America". Here too, people's definitions of the word vary so widely it's basically impossible to know who will find it offensive and who won't.

[kathkin.livejournal.com]

Personally I'm still a bit :S about using 'cunt' as an insult because of the implications of using any synonym of 'vagina' as an insult... but yeah, whenever I hear people say it's a slur against women I get O_o - as far as I'm concerned, 'cunt' is the worst thing you can call a man. Which has completely different connotations.


Apparently 'spaz' is not considered offensive (or is considered less offensive) in the US because 'spastic' was never used as a medical term over there so it went straight from the original meaning to the slang meaning without being associated with disabled people in between. It took me a while to realise that and I was very shocked when American TV shows would use it so casually.

[(Anonymous)]

IA, though with one reservation: I do respect and understand girls who say they personally don't like the term bitch -- they might have had negative connotations with the word, a jackass boyfriend or other male figure who called them that to put them down and denigrate them for being female. That would definitely color the term for them and I'd respect their desire to not have to hear it. However, the idea of jumping all over someone for using the term "bitch" is something I hate, although I'm a woman. First of all, people have learned the term "bitch" and use it all the time in both sexist and non-sexist contexts, and if someone says it in a non-sexist way, they probably aren't being sexist themselves. They're just saying what pretty much everyone in the english-speaking world says. Now, that in and of itself isn't a reason, and some people say that we still should educate people not to use the word, but I disagree. I use the term "bitch" quite a lot. I LIKE using it. When I use it, I don't use it in a sexist context -- and since I'm a girl, shouldn't I be the one deciding what a sexist context is? I personally have no problem with people who do use it, pretty much because I use it all the time because of three reasons:

1) You can't call a woman a jerk, a jackass, an asshole, a douchebag, a dick, a prick, a dickhead, or anything else that means the same thing as "bitch" without sounding really stupid. Seriously. "Bitch" is the word that best conveys your meaning when you're faced with a mean-spirited, nasty human being who happens to be female.

2) Personally -- and this is personal, I'm not gonna try to convince any girl who doesn't feel the same -- I love the idea of stealing insults from the people who insult you, the way Americans did with "Yankee". And we kind of did do it. Now, it's no longer just something men say to women, women have totally taken it back and can use it in a gazillion different contexts, including non-negative ones.

3) Phonetically speaking, it's just a fucking awesome word. "Bitch". Just listen to it! An explosive "B" that punctuates a sentence perfectly, a "tch" at the end that conveys anything from shock to humor to disgust so well without the difficulty of a hard consonant, and with both sounds combined with a "i" in the middle, it has so much flexibility that you can adjust your tone and inflection and emphasis to use it as anywhere from a familiar term of endearment to a wonderfully precise, vicious stinger.

In any case, I think that as a girl, I ought to be able to use the word "bitch" if I want to. And I don't mind men using the word "bitch" (in a way that isn't explicitly sexist -- using terms like "I'm gonna fuck that bitch so hard" or "shut your mouth bitch" and stuff is despicable and really offensive to me. I also think using the word "bitch" against men considered weak is pretty offensive too). Other women may feel differently and I respect that, but I'm gonna resent you if you tell me I shouldn't be allowed to say whatever the fuck I want to people of my own gender.

[vethica.livejournal.com]

...you can't call a woman a jerk? Is jerk a male word and I did not know that?

[meadowphoenix]

You can't call a woman a jerk, a jackass, an asshole, a douchebag, a dick, a prick, a dickhead, or anything else that means the same thing as "bitch" without sounding really stupid. Seriously. "Bitch" is the word that best conveys your meaning when you're faced with a mean-spirited, nasty human being who happens to be female.

I disagree with this except in regards to "douchebag" and "dickhead." Asshole is pretty indicative of mean-spirited, nastiness in general.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

and since I'm a girl, shouldn't I be the one deciding what a sexist context is?

But if you use it against women, don't they also have the right to decide what a sexist context is? If they find your use if is sexist, doesn't that matter just as much as you not finding it sexist?

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

You're kind of opening up a door, there. If that's true, then men should be able to decide too, since they are always called bitches.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Well, the anon I replied to just said she gets to decide if it's sexist because she's female, not because it's used against women more or anything. So... no...?
I dunno, you'd kind of have to take it up with the anon.

[(Anonymous)]

NO.

Don't be such a fucking idiot.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

You don't see how saying "I get called a bitch so I get to decide whether or not it's racist" could give some men the excuse to say "well -I- get called a bitch too, and I DON'T want it to be sexist, so there!"?

[unicornherds.livejournal.com]

Nobody "jumped all over someone for using the term bitch" - it was simply pointed out that yes, it is a sexist word. And even if that pisses you off, it doesn't change the fact that it's sexist. Nobody is saying you can't use it, people use sexist/racist/ist words all the time. But it doesn't harm anyone to actually acknowledge the inherent sexism and misogyny of the word.

I'm probably missing the point, but:

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, there are people out there who do jump on others for using the term. Luckily, not in this thread, but the internet is full of crazy people some days. So if that other anon was saying that they were tired that it happens sometimes (which is how I read that comment personally), then that's a pretty valid complaint.

But otherwise, you've got a good point.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

It's definitely happened before - I've seen people dogpiled in certain LJ communities for using words like "stupid" or "crazy". So people certainly get dogpiled for using the word "bitch".

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

Completely agree. And when people get all up in arms over the word "stupid", because it's being ableist, somehow.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

wat

[(Anonymous)]

someone on the sherlock rant meme flipped the fuck out because calling someone "nuts" is offensive towards the mentally ill

[(Anonymous)]

That's nuts.