[ SECRET POST #1870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1870 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a new concept. I've been hearing it since I was at least 12, so we're talking 15 years. I'm undecided on it. On one hand, reclaiming a word on your own terms is great. But on the other hand, it re-popularizes a slur. I think that both stances are valid.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it really matters *who* is doing the reclaiming. Like, it's one thing if a gay dude wants to refer to *himself* as a fag, that's one thing, but it's a *whole* other thing to have a group of mostly-straight people "reclaiming" the word and giving it a new meaning.

[(Anonymous)]

This is it exactly. When a bunch of straight folks get together and call each other faggot, it's not a reclamation. It's an insult.

[(Anonymous)]

SA, I agree.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

My only problem with this is that if the word comes into popular use among the group that it pertains to, then people outside of said group tend to think it's okay to use the term.

[(Anonymous)]

4chan isn't mostly straight. Have you ever been to the community? They're guys that masturbate to the idea of becoming the little girl.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT. I have been to the site, and I have friends who hang there. Your description, while fascinating, is not consistent with my experience.

[pendingprogress.livejournal.com]

I just wanted to say I absolutely loved your last sentence. I have no opinion on the discussion you were having but I just love the way you phrased that, heh.

(I am aware this may sound slightly sarcastic - it's not meant to be, honest! Just, er, a healthy appreciation for good use of English?)

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[(Anonymous)]

The porn you get off to does not dictate your sexuality. See: lesbians who enjoy slash.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

It's new-ish for me, as in I'm sure it's been around for quite some time, but I've only somewhat recently (as in the past couple of years) become aware of it.

I still find the practice problematic because even if it's on your own terms, it doesn't change the fact that people were (and in many cases still are) using the word as a derogatory slur. That doesn't sit well with me at all because then someone can use the term toward you in a condescending manner (that isn't obvious in intent) and then brush it off as reclamation or using it in a loving way or whatever if you call them out on it, and again, I see it as downplaying the fact that it's a put-down, like sweeping it's old meaning under the rug because it's unpleasant.

A slur is a slur to me. I'd rather they fade away into obscurity than become a-okay for popular use.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes the only way for a slur to fade into obscurity is for it's connotation to be changed. It's not exactly ideal, but it's usually what ends up happening.

[(Anonymous)]

When it's no longer a crime, morally and legally, to be gay, fag will change its meaning. Until them, all you are doing is encouraging more people to use hatespeech.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

I'd rather people stopped using a slur rather than have the meaning change, but this is true. I can't alter what other people do, however, and that's something that's never going to change. I can only keep slurs out of my own speech and hope that others do the same. Me being pushy about it will change nothing as far as I'm concerned, and if reclaiming a word is how others wish to discredit something as a slur, then that's their choice.

[(Anonymous)]

SA, I know exactly what you mean. I agree with that.

[coffeeyoukai.livejournal.com]

Languages evolve, deal with it.

True, people may still use it as a slur, but I find it hard to believe that differentiating whether a word is used as a slur or as a term of endearment is hard. And if they use it as an insult and you see it as a term of endearment, then all the more power to you.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

Thanks for being condescending. I really appreciate it.

If other people want to use a slur as a term of endearment, fine, whatever. I'm not in charge of what you say, and I'm not going to police anyone, but my patience is wearing thin. Frankly, I'm sick of having this argument with people who seem to think it's okay to run around using insults as endearments. You want to do it? Fine. Go ahead. Just don't do it around me or criticize me for disliking the practice of reclamation. Yeah, it can give the word less power, but in my experience, it hasn't.

[(Anonymous)]

on the other hand, it re-popularizes a slur

I think this is what bothers me about reclaiming, too. I feel like it would be best just to let those words die.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Those words won't die as long as the culture contains the prejudice that gave birth to those words. If you made it so that everyone in America were physically incapable of saying the N word right now, another offensive slur would come in and take its place. The whole 1984-esque control of language doesn't work in real life.

You see it with euphemism treadmills. "Idiot" isn't okay anymore so we go to "retarded", then that isn't okay anymore, so we go to "handicapped" or "special needs" and then people start using "special" as an insult and it comes full circle to the point that many people who now use "idiot" don't know that it means the same thing as "retarded". Far back enough and we get "simple", which has lost that meaning entirely. But even if we're using new words the core concept of "being mentally handicapped is shameful" survives and is going to continue to survive. TBH I think maybe homophobia and racism can be overcome by social change, but people will always fear physical and mental disability... it's a reminder of human frailty. But that's just my unpopular opinion.