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Comments

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

Don't know about anyone else, but I really hate this reclamation of slurs thing that I've seen growing in popularity. If someone calls me a 'nigger' I'm going to punch them in the mouth, no question. It's not a positive thing; turning the connotation of a slur around seems to me to be trying to erase its past, which I'm severely uncomfortable with, so this sort of thing grates on me like nobody's business.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a new concept. I've been hearing it since I was at least 12, so we're talking 15 years. I'm undecided on it. On one hand, reclaiming a word on your own terms is great. But on the other hand, it re-popularizes a slur. I think that both stances are valid.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it really matters *who* is doing the reclaiming. Like, it's one thing if a gay dude wants to refer to *himself* as a fag, that's one thing, but it's a *whole* other thing to have a group of mostly-straight people "reclaiming" the word and giving it a new meaning.

[(Anonymous)]

This is it exactly. When a bunch of straight folks get together and call each other faggot, it's not a reclamation. It's an insult.

[(Anonymous)]

SA, I agree.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

My only problem with this is that if the word comes into popular use among the group that it pertains to, then people outside of said group tend to think it's okay to use the term.

[(Anonymous)]

4chan isn't mostly straight. Have you ever been to the community? They're guys that masturbate to the idea of becoming the little girl.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

It's new-ish for me, as in I'm sure it's been around for quite some time, but I've only somewhat recently (as in the past couple of years) become aware of it.

I still find the practice problematic because even if it's on your own terms, it doesn't change the fact that people were (and in many cases still are) using the word as a derogatory slur. That doesn't sit well with me at all because then someone can use the term toward you in a condescending manner (that isn't obvious in intent) and then brush it off as reclamation or using it in a loving way or whatever if you call them out on it, and again, I see it as downplaying the fact that it's a put-down, like sweeping it's old meaning under the rug because it's unpleasant.

A slur is a slur to me. I'd rather they fade away into obscurity than become a-okay for popular use.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes the only way for a slur to fade into obscurity is for it's connotation to be changed. It's not exactly ideal, but it's usually what ends up happening.

[(Anonymous)]

on the other hand, it re-popularizes a slur

I think this is what bothers me about reclaiming, too. I feel like it would be best just to let those words die.

[(Anonymous)]

It happens so much in language already though. Like the term "gyped". It was originally a slur against gypsies, but doesn't hold the same connotation today. And as a commenter pointed out earlier, the term "bastard." It's not necessarily a good word, but it's original meaning holds little to know weight. In other words, it really doesn't matter whether you want it's past meaning erased or not, and it doesn't really matter whether erasing it is a good thing. It's probably going to happen with a lot of slurs. It's just how language works. This way, at least, it stops hurting the people it's directed at. That's got to count for something.

[(Anonymous)]

"Gypped" actually still means "cheated". It's still a racist slur, like "Indian giver".

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

True, but that doesn't mean I can't dislike and disagree with the practice. It's something I'm uncomfortable with and have a feeling that I always will be.

The term 'bastard' likely lost its sting due to the lessening of importance within the English-speaking world on knowing who one's father is, mostly due to changes in the way property is passed down after death (I'm not an expert on this in any sense, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me). I'm not sure how this sort of thing would occur with a slur like 'fag,' though I do suppose it's possible. In any case, I prefer not to use slurs in my speech. I'm not trying to police anyone about it; if you (general) like to reclaim words because you find it empowering, then good for you. I'm just not one of those people.

And as a slight off-shoot, I rather intensely dislike the word 'gyped' (always have, honestly). I was uncomfortable with people using it before I found out its roots.

[(Anonymous)]

+2

I don't believe words can ever be truly reclaimed. If someone calls me a fag, omg, I'd so love to punch them in the mouth for doing it. I don't care if it's animefag or even the original insult of fag.

Contrary to belief, fag is not an endearment. Someone may call themselves an animefag (or whatever fag) but it's not an endearment. It's them not understanding context like the Japanese meaning of otaku. Call yourself otaku in front of a Japanese person and see what reaction you get. (Hint: it doesn't mean knowledgeable fan).

[(Anonymous)]

Pardon the OT, but otaku basically means [insert interest here]-"nerd". I have witnessed Japanese people proudly proclaim to be one, actually.

[(Anonymous)]

you'd get some really weird looks for punching someone in the mouth for calling you an animefag, and probably little-to-no sympathy. then you'd have to explain yourself while the people helping the person you punched looked at you with confused, betrayed eyes, like, 'he didn't mean any harm by it, why have you hurt him, you twat?'.

and don't talk about japanese otakus like you know what it means. hint: it doesn't mean 'freaky shut in creeper dude'

'say it in front of a japanese person and see what reaction you get'. please. gentle queries for the gaijin at most.

[(Anonymous)]

Responding to words that aren't defamation or violations of your privacy with punches is wrong. Morally, violence is wrong unless it is answering to violence.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

Also true, but I've never had an instance where someone didn't intend me physical harm when calling me a slur. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but this has always been the case for me, and so this is my reaction to slurs thrown my direction. If it said was in a joking or playful manner, then perhaps I wouldn't react violently, but I've yet to be in that situation so I have nothing to go off of.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Y'know, some people believe that violence is wrong even in retaliation. The whole circle of hate thing? Violence begets violence?

[(Anonymous)]

If motherfuckers got busted in the face whenever they ran their mouths off in such a manner, them, and similar mouth-running motherfuckers, will think twice about running their mouth off in the future.

Seems like one of those win-win situations.

[smittenlotus.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I agree so hard. I don't like the "reworking" of any of those kinds of words: 'nigger', 'bitch', none of that. It's only led to other problems like who's allowed to use the words and who isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

oi, how about you stop trying to cut up our language into 'socially acceptable words' and 'vile nasty unacceptable words'? here's a solution for ye: anyone can use any words they want as long as they're also willing to accept the consequences for using these words? e.g. i don't care that you find the word 'bitch' offensive, but i totally accept that you'll judge me and potentially spread around to all your friends that i'm 'one of those' people. because i don't care that you'll judge me and yeah, i guess i am 'one of those' people, so that's not even untrue.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

Heh, this conversation reminds me of this old Wyatt Cenac stand up bit.



But seriously, any non Black person who calls you a 'nigger' deserves a punch in the mouth, preferably with your fist wrapped around a bar of soap.

[hikari87.livejournal.com]

"seems to be trying to erase its past"
AH! Thank you for putting it in words like that! I've always been super uncomfortable with certain "reclaimed" words myself and could never quite articulate why.