[ SECRET POST #1870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1870 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #267.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Right, because none of us under the age of 35 was ever bullied with the word "fag" in school. People totally stopped using it like that in the 90's.

Except where some of us were and sometimes still get "fag" thrown at us derogatorily, so don't you fucking dare act like you speak for me because we're close in age.

[(Anonymous)]

But anon! If it doesn't bother ME, then you shouldn't complain about it! Because I'm an edgy kid, and the world revolves around my ass.

[(Anonymous)]

There's an "orbiting around Uranus" joke to be made there, but I'm just too tired to make it work.

[(Anonymous)]

"NASA sent off probes to orbit Uranus. He was really desperate for your tax dollars"? Or is that stretching innuendo a little too far?

[(Anonymous)]

it *doesn't* bother the edgy kid, and the world revolves around his ass. <-- this is the bad thing

it *does* bother the sensitive kid, and therefore the world should revolve around his ass. <-- this is the good thing

i say, sir, your double standard is surely a mighty thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you missed the part where anon said "it is only offensive when used with the intent to offend." Of course it's going to offend you if someone says it in a mean-spirited way. That's just common sense. That's what they were trying to say, so calm yo tits.

[(Anonymous)]

Go google "intent is fucking magic" and educate yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

If intent never mattered, then why is it considered in court?

[(Anonymous)]

DA. It's *considered* in court, but it doesn't excuse your actions that you didn't mean to do it. Yeah, you get a lighter sentence for manslaughter than murder one, but it's still a crime and you're still culpable.

[mika-kun.livejournal.com]

If you turn around quickly while holding a heavy object and accidentally hit someone with it and they are injured (lets say black eye and need a few stitches - reasonable yes?). You may not be held responsible for assault in a court of law since you did not intend to hit anyone.

This doesn't mean that the person you hit will be any less injured because you didn't mean to hit them.

Just because you didn't mean to hurt or offend someone with your words doesn't mean you won't.

(Additionally, intent *doesn't* always matter in court. If you perform an action such that there is a reasonable chance that someone might become injured as a result then you are culpable. Maybe you get a reduced sentence, but you don't get off clean.)

[(Anonymous)]

I understand what it means. And I understand the problem with intent. Trust me, I really do. It's not like going around throwing the word "fag" at every person you know tomorrow is going to be received well. We are speaking hypothetically about the possibility that if the intent of a word is changed to be positive, over time the word will lose it's negative connotation. This is a hypothetical discussion, not a literal one. It's nothing to get overly dramatic about. No one's saying it's okay to call people fags if you don't mean any harm by it.

[(Anonymous)]

No one's saying it's okay to call people fags if you don't mean any harm by it.

That's actually what everyone here is saying. That is the entire basis of this conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously? People are still telling others to read that? Kotaku's SJ articles are better than that tripe.

[(Anonymous)]

You also sound straight.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you missed the part where intent isn't always obvious, especially on the internet, and also the part where words that have been used in an abusive fashion can still be really jarring and upsetting to someone when directed toward them in a non-abusive or ambiguously abusive context. I mean, shit, fandom gets trauma-related triggers when it comes to fic warnings, but doesn't understand how having the word "fag" thrown at them might be triggering to someone whose experienced bullying over their sexuality?

[(Anonymous)]

I have a serious love/hate relationship with trigger warnings. A part of me wants to say "You know what? There are no trigger warnings out in the real world, and it is not everyone else's responsibility to make sure YOU feel comfortable all of the time." But, another part of me really does get it. I'm so fucking conflicted.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand that, especially as someone who has triggers that aren't the sort anyone warns for, but it seems like not using words that were and still are used as slurs should be as much of a no-brainer as not putting a surprise rape scene in fic labeled "romance/comedy." There's a point at which the idea of common courtesy applies.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see the "there are no triggers warnings in the real world" angle, but at the same time, fandom is often what people use as escapism from the real world, so.

[coffeeyoukai.livejournal.com]

You do realise that it's mostly used on 4chan and related imageboards, and anyone who goes there has much more to get upset over than what amounts to a throwaway term?

4chan =/= fandom in general

[(Anonymous)]

What do uncalm tits do, specifically? Why is the excitability of other people's mammaries of such importance to you?

[(Anonymous)]

I've been wondering that myself...

[(Anonymous)]

Tits are always important. Always.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

I tend to think of hyperactive birds, myself. Someone has some tits and they're making noise.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right, it's horrible to throw the word around as an insult. However, have you seen "fag" used in another context? Instead of calling someone else a fag out of the blue, you first use it to address and identify yourself. While you remain anonymous, you let others know that there's a ____fag around - i.e. someone out there doing _______.

[(Anonymous)]

You are still using a term that is targeted at a minority, and claiming it as your own to identify yourself, as an MLP fan, for example. Calling yourself one first doesn't make the word any less offensive.