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I think it's okay to pay for fanart because that implies a cost for the artists (paper, ink, etc.) while fanfic don't have costs for the writer. That's what I've read, at least.

I've always hated that reasoning, to be honest. If the fanart artist is all-digital, their costs are just as "non-existent" for them as for the fanfic writers.

Not to mention that people never, ever, seems to acknowledge time spent on the work (regardless of it being art or fic) is also a cost, so to speak.

I don't know. That's what I've read. Personally, I wouldn't write on commission because it makes fandom feel like a job.

Yeah, I hear you on that. Nothing kills my joy for fandom and all the fandomy things I do like the feeling that it's my job/duty.

Sometimes I think I'm doing fandom wrong when I take my fic writing as some fun hobby and not a an ~art form. Don't get me wrong, there are fics that are amazing and I would pay for if they were original fiction, but I can't get myself to freak over fic. Maybe because I'm not into English/Literature/writing in a professional way.

If you ask me you're doing fandom right by taking your fic writing as a fun hobby (though that point of view might be heavily influenced by me viewing fandom in general as a fun hobby).

If you are a fic writer yourself, that might be why you don't get all up over it when it comes to fic? That's the case for me anyway.

You might be right. I love writing in general but I spent so much time writing in my actual career (that is not artistic) that I don't want to suffer with fic, too.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-02-22 00:01 (UTC) - Expand

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lovelycudy.livejournal.com - 2012-02-22 00:06 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2012-02-22 00:12 (UTC) - Expand

I just wonder why it's ok to pay for fanart and not fic? Cause I'd do it in a minute. Both are using copyrighted characters. Both are works of fiction due to the artists creating whatever. Yet fic is 'Disclaimer: I don't make profit' whereas commissioned fanart is the opposite. If a fanartist is making money off of someone elses material, why is that medium ok or more accepted?

I wonder about the same thing, to be honest! And I think it's a double standard that is really annoying; even if you try the "but fanartists use pencils/sketchbooks/whatever they need to pay for," it doesn't work because I know several fanfic writers (myself included) who use paper to draft fanfic on before typing it up on the computer. In my opinion, it comes down to art being valued above fic in means of how much time and creative processes are involved in making the finished product. Because "anyone can write a fic," didntchaknow.

There's a bit of a noise going on in the comics fandom at the moment, after Marvel successfully sued the creator of Ghost Rider, forcing him to pay royalties for selling drawings of the character he created, because he's a copyrighted character. People in the know are now telling both professional artists who sell commissions at cons and fan artists who also take commissions to stop. Now. Because otherwise they run the risk of being sued - Marvel is now backed by Disney, and Disney are fiercely protective of their copyrighted characters. So if that trend continues, fan artists selling commissions could become just as taboo as fic writers doing the same.

Tablets are pretty pricey, to be fair. So are most drawing programs.

Eh, but it's not like you can't do art using just GIMP and a mouse.

So are typing lessons and creative writing courses.

...which a lot of good writers have never had, whereas fanartists who are decent seem to have invested more money into this. I mean, I have no particular views about buying fanworks one way or another, but the main thing writers seem to invest is time.

So are computers, which the fic writers use to write and post their fanfics. Fic writers also lay out cash for note-cards, pens, markers, notebooks, books on how to improve their writing, etc. There are also specialized, expensive writing programs to purchase that help to make writing easier. There are also expensive writing courses that writers can take.

Fanartists and fic writers both invest money and time in their art. Yet it's only acceptable to pay fanartists? It's a huge double standard that needs to be eliminated. Either it's okay to pay both or you pay neither. I've never understood why it's okay to pay fanartists for anything at all when the rule of fandom is that no one is to profit off of the fandom art. Yet it's okay to pay fanartists and not fic writers. Yeah, no.

Also, I don't believe for one second that the only purpose of fanartists purchasing tablets and drawing programs is only for fanart. If they're purchasing that stuff strictly for fanart and they're charging for it, then they're making a living off of it and need to be shut down by the copyright holders for profiting off their product(s).

They're buying that stuff b/c they want to and b/c they most likely hope to make a living off their artistic talents of drawing (graphic designer, etc.). Fanart just helps them practice your skills the way fic writing lets fic writers practice their skills.

So are computers, which the fic writers use to write and post their fanfics. There are also specialized, expensive writing programs to purchase that help to make writing easier. There are also expensive writing courses that writers can take.

Also, I don't believe for one second that the only purpose of you purchasing tablets and drawing programs is only for fanart. If you're purchasing that stuff strictly for fanart and you're charging for it, then you're making a living off of it and need to be shut down by the copyright holders for profiting off their product(s).

You're buying that stuff b/c you want to and b/c you most likely hope to make a living off your artistic talents of drawing (graphic designer, etc.). Fanart just helps you practice your skills. So don't go trying blowing smoke.

IDK, my tablet was pretty darn expensive.

Yeah, so? Did someone hold a gun to head and make you buy it?

So are computers, which the fic writers use to write and post their fanfics. Fic writers also lay out cash for note-cards, pens, markers, notebooks, books on how to improve their writing, etc. There are also specialized, expensive writing programs to purchase that help to make writing easier. There are also expensive writing courses that writers can take.

Fanartists and fic writers both invest money and time in their art. Yet it's only acceptable to pay fanartists? It's a huge double standard that needs to be eliminated. Either it's okay to pay both or you pay neither. I've never understood why it's okay to pay fanartists for anything at all when the rule of fandom is that no one is to profit off of the fandom art. Yet it's okay to pay fanartists and not fic writers. Yeah, no.

Also, I don't believe for one second that the only purpose of fanartists purchasing tablets and drawing programs is only for fanart. If they're purchasing that stuff strictly for fanart and they're charging for it, then they're making a living off of it and need to be shut down by the copyright holders for profiting off their product(s).

They're buying that stuff b/c they want to and b/c they most likely hope to make a living off their artistic talents of drawing (graphic designer, etc.). Fanart just helps them practice your skills the way fic writing lets fic writers practice their skills.

Wow, calm down. I don't think fanartists deserve money from fanart anymore than a fanfic writer does for writing! I was merely pointing out that just because a fanartist makes only digital art it doesn't mean they don't have costs.

This and everything else you typed. Anon needs to chill

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margerydaw-s2.livejournal.com - 2012-02-22 14:32 (UTC) - Expand

Also, I have never done commissions, and I hold the same views that you do.

And this line: Did someone hold a gun to head and make you buy it?

That was fucking disgusting, thank you very much for reminding me of when I had a lethal weapon pointed at me.

i hope you're making fun of sjw

Yes, but your tablet is a sunk cost, unless you specifically bought it only for commissioned fanart. Which, let's be honest, is very, very rarely the case.

The line of reasoning that it's okay to pay fanartists but not fanfic writers because they bought a tablet annoys the bugfuck out of me. You don't have to have a tablet (nor do you have to buy expensive programs) to do fanart, and to think that fanart is somehow above fanfic when it comes to whether or not it's acceptable to earn money from it just because a really handy tool is expensive is... well, it grates. A whole fucking lot, because I'm a fanfic writer who also owns a tablet, and the "tablet costs moneys" is often the sole argument that we're just supposed to accept like that.

(General you here, to clarify. Also not jumping on you in specific, I'm just really bloody tired of seeing "tablet cost moneys!" being trotted out every time this comes up.)

I totally agree, and though I don't do commissions, I use my tablet almost entirely for fanart. True, I didn't buy it for that purpose, but... that's where things ended up going.

I agree. I wasn't trying to say that only fanarts involve a cost. Hell, TIIME goes into cost, EFFORT goes into cost, you know? Fanfic is just as much valuable as fanart, imo. I agree with anon above: either it's okay to pay for both, or it isn't ok to pay for either of them.

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