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So, I intend to read the Hunger Games, and while I saw that part of fandom adores Peeta, there also seem to be people who find his intense devotion towards Katniss annoying or hitting the Nice Guy thing hard. I'll probably read them either way eventually, but what do other people her think about it?

Peeta doesn't have much characterization outside liking Katniss, to the point in the third book this is an especially major point. He doesn't really know her that well, everyone pressures her into a relationship with him, and he does make it awkward to be around since he doesn't hide the fact that he likes her. On the other hand, Peeta doesn't make it a secret and in the first book Peeta is tricked into thinking he won Katniss over. The writer did make it uncomfortably Nice Guy like.

I'm just reading the books for the first time (in the middle of the second one), and while I adore Peeta for one reason or another my little sister REALLY doesn't like him. I think he's just really divisive. As for his devotion to Katniss, sometimes I wonder if part of why I like him so much is because I really am relating to that right now in my life, but it's not necessarily why I like him.

i've only read the first two so far, but i wasn't skeeved by him. it didn't seem like he was really trying to force her to like him or anything, and he wasn't perfect about how he handled his feelings, but i think that was okay? yes, it was a little skeevy that he tried the whole "pretend we're in love" scheme without telling anyone that he actually WAS in love with her, but i don't think he was doing that to trick her into a real relationship? he's pretty young and i think that makes it okay for him to not be perfect.

i don't particularly like peeta or the romance plot, but i think as bad as actual nice guys are, people are confusing "guy tries to manipulate girl into dating/fucking him" with "girl is uncertain, guy still openly likes her and hopes she'll like him back". the former sucks, the latter... CAN be annoying, but isn't really wrong?

To be truthful, the "pretend-to-be-in-love" plot was created by Peeta and had the unfortunate consequence of forcing Katniss into a relationship with him. You can either view this as he wasn't thinking about the consequences or he is very manipulative. He certainly is very good at manipulating an audience.

If there is one thing he did, he never did hide his feelings (or hide them well.)

As to the romance, well the romance was really the entire point of the story wasn't it? The rest of the plot felt like the additions.

~~Making the Nice Guy connection makes me upset. Before this was brought up, I liked Peeta/Katniss. :C~~

And in any normal situation, making up a scheme to pretend to be a couple with someone you actually do hope to someday date is fucking terrible.

However. Their lives literally depended on the audience caring about them, and that meant they needed to have a lot of "hooks". This was established so much by that point it's not even funny. Cinna did as much as he could with their outfits, but when Katniss didn't come off as particularly interesting in her interview, the reader could pretty much feel their support dropping. Peeta had already run this plan by Haymitch, who didn't have any goals besides their survival, and... I don't know, I think that while relationship autonomy is really fucking important, it takes a backseat to not being dead. The fake relationship was probably the best possible hook. Just look at us- people absolutely love shipping.

I've had actual Nice Guys in my life. I've had two guys try to pressure and manipulate me into dating them. And for one of those times, it actually did involve a fake relationship situation (I'm gay and he was offering to be my beard, so.) But, you know. That whole "dying horribly" element was not involved in my actual experiences.

Seriously, this reminds me of a few weeks ago when people were complaining about the suicide in the Arena. Arena =////////= real life. Rules in real life don't apply there. They just don't. I think Peeta was pushing the relationship on Katniss because Peeta actually cared about her and he wanted her to live, and in this situation that is by far the best way to ensure she lives. He thought she reciprocated and was kinda crushed when she didn't, but he didn't make her life miserable over it in CF like the typical Nice Guy would. This is nothing like a Nice Guy situation because the Arena is involved and you say/do what you have to say and do to live.

Looking at the situation in-context of the Games, Peeta's actions can be rationalized. "Just look at us- people absolutely love shipping." I'd have to say Collins, Peeta, and Haymitch understand how shipping works.

On the writer's half, it looks problematic. Collins set the situation up where Peeta had been admiring Katniss from afar. Then he and Haymitch put Katniss in situation she wasn't prepared for. Collins could have made Peeta not an admirer from afar, but still have made him fall for Katniss after he gets to know her. Peeta could have tried to save her and not be in love. (When Katniss thinks that whatever happens they will be close friends at the end is one of my favourite parts. That is how it could have been played; a romance could have been developed later.) An entirely different scheme could have been produced to get them sponsors.

In regards to real-life Nice Guys, I've certainly never had to deal with it like you (my sympathies by the way), but I have had to deal with minor elements of before. So perhaps I can draw somewhat from my experiences, but not so much.

I read him as pining and this is gonna sound cold, but I found it so annoying and one-note because there really is nothing else to him =/ I kinda feel bad, because he really is sweet, but DUDE, YOU LIKE THE GIRL, WE FUCKING GET IT. The alternative possibility that he's manipulating her into liking him back (Katniss is very emotionally stunted and he on the other hand is very persuasive and good at dealing with people) isn't really a feeling I got but it makes sense

(I still recommend the books though. Aside from the romance parts I thought it was impressively balls-out for a YA series)

Peeta has always been my favorite character. I personally think he is the most complex person in the book. I came across a pretty interesting article about Peeta that might give you a better perspective on his character. It does contain spoilers though, so be warned...

http://www.foreveryoungadult.com/2011/05/12/four-things-you-dont-know-about-peeta/

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