[ SECRET POST #1907 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1907 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[X-Men: First Class]


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11. [SPOILERS for Death Note]



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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual abuse]



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Comments

[childings.livejournal.com]

The thing is, both movies are animated with a computer. One is just 2D and the other is 3D. Nobody uses actual cels anymore in animation. So in that sense PATF really isn't "classic Disney animation" anyway.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Technically they've been computer animating them since Little Mermaid and the CAPS system. Though they still count as traditionally/classically animated because every single frame is hand drawn vs creating a 3D model and manipulating it from pose to pose.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Technically they've been computer animating them since Little Mermaid and the CAPS system

The whole movie wasn't done on a computer, though. The character animation was still done with traditional cel animation. Yeah, they used computers in films like Beauty and the Beast too (the ballroom scene is a famous example) but all the character animation was still done by painting the characters onto pieces of celluloid and shooting each frame individually in a sequence, the old-fashioned way

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Only have wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Animation_Production_System) to back me up, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure CAPS is 100% digital. It does mention Little Mermaid only used CAPS for the final scene, so the rest of the movie is celluloid but pretty much every Disney movie afterwards is a 100% digital in terms of "scan drawing into computer and ink/shade them there". Yeah, they did pencil tests on actual paper and they'd "make" celluloids of certain scenes/frames to sell as collectables, but it all turned digital a lot earlier than people think.

[childings.livejournal.com]

pretty much every Disney movie afterwards is a 100% digital in terms of "scan drawing into computer and ink/shade them there"

Wow, that's crazy. All the time I thought Beauty and the Beast used cel animation but I guess I was wrong. It certainly doesn't look digital, anyway

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Well, seeing as how every cel eventually had to be converted to either VHS or later DVD (digital), I guess there wouldn't be much of a different finished project-wise. It's like those poster versions of famous paintings. Are they digital works of art because they were scanned in and printed as such or do they still count as traditional works because of the source material?

Traditionally animated 2D works of the 90's and beyond are very much the same. They're still drawn the same, human hand behind each and every frame, they just utilize different tools (celluloid vs computer). You could even make the argument that computers are the natural successor to celluloid, just as celluloid was the natural successor to paper, making it so that they didn't have to keep drawing the background over and over and over again.

And I think the reason people refer to them as traditionally animated films vs computer 2D films is to distinguish between the hand drawn stuff and the flash drawn stuff (e.g. My Little Pony) of which the latter is much cheaper and faster to produce.

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[(Anonymous)]

Ghibli still uses cells. Just not all of the time.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Well, when I said "nobody" I should've specified "nobody in North America".

[(Anonymous)]

My (little) research says they haven't used them since Princess Mononoke.

[(Anonymous)]

So in that sense PATF really isn't "classic Disney animation" anyway.

So how do you define classic Disney animation? Stuff from the 1930's? Stuff from the 50's? What about in the Dark Age? What about the Renaissance? How about Roger Rabbit? That was done on cels.

Also, I will point out that cels is often used in the business to refer to a handdrawn frame in animation, not just the celluiod itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh! I forgot! In your "classical Disney animation" definition what about xeroxing Vs. inking? That's another important distinction!

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Xeroxing! I forgot what that was called, but yeah. Would've never had 101 Dalmations without xeroxing. <3

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, Disney is all about advancing animation technology! Even with a lot of the movies in the 60's or so xeroxing was cheaper, but also preserved the original animation drawing in the final film. Personally I prefer the inked look, but I can see where the xerox could be preferable.

[fadeinthewash.livejournal.com]

Is xeroxing why certain scenes in 101 Dalmatians randomly look very different from the rest of the the movie? That always bugged me as a kid when the art style suddenly had a subtle but distinct shift, then all back to normal again.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

I don't think so, since I'm pretty sure the xerox process was used on the whole film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7eP67T_37I&t=7m25s). My animation textbook is more trustworthy, but it only mentions it's the first major use of xerox, not whether the whole film was done with it. And then I had the privilege of hearing a lecture by Roy Disney several years back, and I'm think he mentioned it somewhere in there as well. So 95% sure it was applied equally to the whole film (which is also why the whole film has the more sketchy lines as opposed to films like Sleeping Beauty or the Lion King).

My best guess is that it's a whole slew of animators working on a film, so a couple might've drawn things a bit differently from the rest?

[childings.livejournal.com]

So how do you define classic Disney animation?

IDK, anything done with cels... Disney used cel animation for most of its existence after all

Also, I will point out that cels is often used in the business to refer to a handdrawn frame in animation

And? I think people understand what someone means by "cel animation" and that's why 2D animation done with a computer is usually called "2D animation". I haven't seen many people calling stuff scanned into a computer and colored "cel animation"

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, anything done with cels... Disney used cel animation for most of its existence after all

It also used various technology to speed production including xeroxing pencil drawings onto the celluloid. CAPS is another step not a fundamental change. What about animation using cels and computer generated imagery? That's not "classic" as they only start in I think it was '86 on Great Mouse Detective.

Also by your definition Roger Rabbit is classic Disney animation while Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King, etc. are not, even though the latter clearly fit better in the canon of Disney films.

If you're going by what Disney has been doing for most of its existence Mickey Mouse would not be considered classic Disney - they have been drawing Mickey Mouse cartoons for less than half of the time they've been a studio.

I haven't seen many people calling stuff scanned into a computer and colored "cel animation"

It's commonly called traditional animation even when using CAPS or beyond.