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[ SECRET POST #1925 ]

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So the point of this secret is that the secret maker can't see a situation from any other point of view but their own? Gotcha

The secret is that their friend is a hypocrite and it annoys them.

I explained why it wasn't hypocritical, but whatever, continue being dense

You frustrate me with your dismissive attitude to anyone who disagrees with you. I've seen it before, and I just don't get why so many F!S regulars like you so much. You speak well, and explain yourself clearly, but you are incredibly insulting to anyone who disagrees or tries to counter or explain themselves. You're rather bad at doing the very thing you're arguing for: understanding others POV.

I just don't get why so many F!S regulars like you so much

What are you talking about

Yeah seriously, lol.

I don't like you or your attitude very much, but I kind of admire the way you keep coming back to insist your opinions in the most insulting way possible. So thumbs up?

I think what's really insulting is how little empathy people who don't personally participate or believe in a religion have for people who do, but whatever.

I'm always surprised by how little empathy people who do participate in religion have for people who don't.

Well I don't fall into either category. And if makes you feel any better (not that I give a shit, you sound like real ass), I was forced to go to church as a kid by my grandmother, even though my parents were atheists. I hated it so much I would hide every Sunday and hope nobody would find me so I didn't have to go. I got physically and emotionally bullied by my peers, told my parents were going to Hell, etc. It was awful. So I have no love for evangelical Christianity. I can still understand the fucked up logic of these people and why someone trying to drag another person to church MIGHT BE DIFFERENT from trying to get them into a fandom.

NOBODY IS SAYING IT IS THE SAME THING TO THE EVANGELICAL FRIEND.
everybody is saying it is he same to the friend who is uninterested.

does that clear stuff up? seriously where do you see people going OH WELL THE CHRISTIAN FRIEND DOESNT CARE! IT IS THE SAME FOR HER AS DAYS OF OUR LIVES or some shit

that doesn't make evangelical christianity any less annoying or pressuring to the person who is the target

NOBODY IS SAYING IT IS THE SAME THING TO THE EVANGELICAL FRIEND

Maybe try reading the thread again

that doesn't make evangelical christianity any less annoying

The one thing we agree on apparently

DA

I don't think they lack empathy. You can understand that the girl thinks religion is completely different from fandom. They think they're saving their friend's soul etc. I think the OP gets that their friend doesn't think of it the same way. But from the OP's perspective, her friend is asking her to respect that she's not interested in something, but not respecting the OP's disinterest in being Christian. She obviously understands that her friend doesn't see her religion as anything like fandom. That's why she's wary about talking to her about it.

It sounds like OP is hoping to convince their friend that their religion is comparable to fandom (from their personally perspective), but if that's the case, they won't succeed, because their friend is never going to see it that way. The friend sounds like they lack empathy as well, and like they don't really care about OP's feelings at all, but that doesn't make it okay to go "LOL your religion is just a fandom". Do you think it would be okay to go around telling people of other faiths that their religion is just a big fandom, just because you don't believe in a religion? Even though I am not a Christian, and in addition, I don't have any love for the particular sect of Christianity where the point seems to be to force it on other people, I don't think it's right to compare any religion to a fandom.

Honestly, OP should just find a different friend

ayrt

I don't think the OP has any interest in trying to convince their friend that the way they feel about Christianity is the way they feel about fandom. At most it seems like they wish their friend would respect their disinterest in religion at least as much as they'd respect their disinterest in something like a fandom.

I agree it might be hopeless either way, but I don't get the sense that the OP doesn't actually get how evangelical Christians can be. Not only are they taught it's a matter of eternal life or death, they're taught a thousand reasons why they should ignore any feelings that they're being rude by proselytizing.

Now that I read it again, it seems like the OP is trying to make that comparison as a way of maybe salvaging their friendship. But if that's the case, it's not going to work, and they'd be better off just ending the friendship.

And neither can the religious person. If it's the OP, it's the religious one too.

I just find it weird that someone could not see the difference between a fandom and a religion, especially considering how common it is for people to latch onto fandoms, then drop them, then find a new fandom, etc.

I don't think that the OP doesn't see the difference - it sounds to me as though that the OP is complaining that the friend is the one that can't see that religion and fandom are the same to the OP (i.e. not important).

If you're going to argue that the OP should see that religion is important to her friend, couldn't you argue back that the friend should see that religion is not important to the OP? Especially considering how common it is that people aren't religious?

that religion and fandom are the same to the OP

I mean, again, "something that is very important to a person" =/= religion. I get that fandom can be a central part of somebody's life but it's like, not necessary for the person to include other people in a fandom in order to continue enjoying the fandom and to continue to have that as a central part of their life. But that's exactly how evangelical Christianity works -- it's central to the practice of the religion.

That's kinda the problem. Even totally ignoring the fandom part of the secret, I don't care how central it is to your religion, you don't get to push it on me.

I agree I AGREE I FUCKING AGREE with that part completely. I'm just saying it's not the same thing as trying to push a fandom on someone.

And everybody else is saying that you can't just say "It's not the same thing ever!" because for the OP, it is. For the friend, it may not be. It doesn't have to be the same for both parties involved. The OP might think the friend is a hypocrite and the friend might not agree. They can see things different ways.

Your right its worse.

As several people have mentioned all over this thread pushing a religion on someone is basically saying that you think there is something wrong with the way that person lives their life.

Pushing a fandom has no such implications.

If it's worse, it logically follows that they can't be comparable to each other. Harassing someone to read Homestuck over and over isn't nearly as wrong as constantly trying to force them to go to church with you. That's the only point I was trying to make, that I don't see it as hypocritical because these two things aren't logically comparable to each other.

"a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess." Even the definition of "hypocrisy" involves some degree of morality and I don't see how morality factors into fandom when in the evangelical adherent's mind, it does factor into dragging someone to church

So this whole time you've basically been arguing semantics?

Dude, no wonder so many people hate you.

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