[ SECRET POST #1986 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1986 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 119 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0- not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 2 - going to have to be a little more subtle than this ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, but can you imagine the wank if a woman or poc had died?

[pts]

good point.

[(Anonymous)]

Hoo boy. Yeah, that would have been rough.

[(Anonymous)]

My thoughts exactly.

USE YOUR NOGGIN, OP.

[writerserenyty]

Hoo boy that would have been some crazy wank.

[majorshipper]

Hahaha, yeaaaahhh, that woulda been pretty cray-cray. And I'm sure, ironically enough, the wank would have been massive, but the celebratory fanworks would have been closer to nil.

[truxillogical]

I...I hate to say it, but yeah. Yeah, that's actually kind of a good point.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. They would've said 'well, that's just Joss. Oh, Joss.' Pretty much like the fan reaction to the end of Dr. Horrible.

[(Anonymous)]

That was not the reaction to Dr. Horrible I saw on my flist at the time. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the wider fandom was happy to just ignore the fridging.

[(Anonymous)]

It was on mine. :P

One time, last year, when someome broght up 'women in refridgerators' in media, I pointed out Dr. Horrible as a textbook example. The response? "Oh, that's just Joss. It doesn't apply to him."

And this was on a feminist/safe space comm where that was said.

[truxillogical]

I think the only thing that saves Penny's fate from being a truly egregious example of WiF (as opposed to just, y'know, being a smaller example) is that it happens at the end. As in, her death is literally the end of the story for all the characters involved. So while it is what "motivates" Billy to change, his change and the subsequent consequences aren't part of the story.

It still is a fridging but I guess it feels more...I don't know, organic? The whole thing was supposed to be a tragedy.

I don't know, I get squidgey on the whole "fridging" thing--I think it's a legitimate problem, certainly, but I don't like the idea that while you can kill men off to motivate another character, doing the same to a woman, whatever the reason, gets labeled as a fridging. I mean, last I remember people were saying that Martha Wayne was fridged, but Thomas Wayne was just killed. I don't even understand that.

[(Anonymous)]

As I understand it, Dr. Horrible was sort of an intentional fridging? Like, they play off the fact that she's essentially a character made to die (i.e. the "Nation Mourns Whats-her-name" headline).

[elialshadowpine]

Err. I think I've lost count of how many women characters Joss has fridged in his various shows. o.o

[thene]

Yes, because women and POCs are never used as random disposable characters whose primary purpose is to die to give white male characters motivation.

no really how dumb are you

[(Anonymous)]

We know that. We really do know that. We're not dumb.

That's why it's interesting that it's not a woman, or a POC who was killed off. It was a white male.

But, if it was a woman or a POC, there would be a lot of wank about it, as well there should be, because there are "women and POCs are never used as random disposable characters whose primary purpose is to die to give white male characters motivation."

I think you missed the point of the comment.

[thene]

Then you're much more optimistic than me. Yeah, a few fandom activists would have got upset if they'd killed someone who wasn't a white dude, but it would have been Hollywood as normal for the other 99% of viewers, and even in fandom nearly everyone would have been all 'loljoss' about it. Most fridgings cause resignedness, not wank.

[al28894]

Whew-wee! The fandom wank and flame wars from that would reach a mile high! XD