[ SECRET POST #1990 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1990 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Calvin and Hobbes]


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03.
[Golden Sun]


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04.
[Downton Abbey]


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05.
[Beyond: Two Souls]


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06.
[Veep]


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07.
[John Cooper Clarke]


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08.
[Kristen Stewart]


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09.
[A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones]


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10.
[The Social Network]


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11.
[Ray Bradbury]


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12.
[Protomen]


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13.
[Hamish & Andy]


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14.
[Falling Skies]


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15.
[Hetalia]


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16.
[Legend of Korra]


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17.
[Dragon Age: Origins]


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18.
[Minecraft]


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19.
[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable]


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[Avengers]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 025 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

a tendency towards diabetes or green eyes is genetic. cultural identity is not encoded in the dna like that. listen to what the fuck you're saying and notice how significant parts of it are what people say to justify genocides.

[honk]

like i told someone else:
identities like "german" and "irish" are less nationalities and more ethnicities, which can be carried genetically through heritage. if people are identifying with nationalities then i would agree that they have no real reason to be if they never lived there, but ethnically i definitely understand and support.

i am not arguing culture or nationality specifically. i am arguing that ethnicity can be passed through blood, so if somebody identifies as german because they are actually part german then good for them. they don't have to be actually from germany to be german, this is what you're not getting.

"i don't know how to argue properly so i'm going to accuse you of justifying genocide"

[(Anonymous)]

ethnicity, nationality, and culture, are all social constructs. i know that talking of 'through blood' your way is a common and innocuous bit of rhetoric in many cultures, but you have to realise it is massively loaded and revolting in lots of other societies and therefore it is kind of horrifying when you try to act like it is world-wide objectively real.

[honk]

lmao you have NO idea what you're talking about. ethnicity is just as important to genes as race is. it's not just a "social construct," ethnicity is really important to take into consideration re: genetic disorders and diseases. christ.

you keep saying you "know" about my ~ways and my ~culture but you really don't know jack shit actually

[(Anonymous)]

spoiler: race is also a social construct

and since you clearly don't know fuck about statistics either, ethnicity or race can be used as a shorthand way to help describe generalisations about disease prevalence in populations - it doesn't say anything on the level of individuals. or do you also think like race determines people's IQ.

[honk]

race/ethnicity are social and biological, stop cherry picking lsakfhsl;kjfhs i cannot handle your trolling go away

also: "it doesn't say anything on the level of individuals"
yes it does

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Pssst, you're feeding the troll.

[honk]

i didn't realise it was a troll until now i feel v ashamed u___u

srsly?

[littlestbirds]

You can't call them a troll just because they're arguing and they're anon. This kind of ignorance is a legit thing to get angry about on the internet.

Re: srsly?

[littlestbirds]

okay, I read down a bit further and can see why trolling might come up. BUT as someone who has been told I would be a good engineer because I am one eighth German, I genuinely find this kind of thinking creepy.

Re: srsly?

[honk]

"this kind of thinking" as if i would actually tell you you'd be a good engineer? this is a fallacious train of thought. christ all i am saying is that people who live outside a specific region can still identify with it through ancestry, i'm not telling people what kind of job they should have like fuck dude you're basically implying i support eugenics which is actually the exact opposite of the truth

but if that 1/8th of you that is german likes to identify as such then great!!! you have every right to that and i am defending you, whereas most others in this thread are implying it's ~appropriation

[(Anonymous)]

please explain how race and ethnicity exist biologically, apart from as social constructs. do not just say 'it's in your genes' unless you think there is some gene that encodes ethnicity that you can look for the way you can look for genes that encode eye colour or haemophilia, and if you think that please read up on eugenics until you stop thinking that.

[honk]

ok well let's see specific parameters like pigmentation-related genes are consistently found in people if the same racial classification, social components to ethnic groups influence biological factors consistent in individuals, etc

i am not indulging you further just seriously there's gotta be a better way for you to pass your time than trolling, ie picking up a book

[(Anonymous)]

ok. um. jsyk it is not actually possible to classify people into races or ethnicities based on collections of physical traits. because they are social constructs, not biological categories with real boundaries.
and seriously, biologically-determined 'social components to ethnic groups', i thought you were just clueless but that is seriously fucking racist rhetoric. (please, please, please read up on eugenics before you embarrass yourself and apall the rest of us any further.)

and could you at least try a little google on global social constructions of race or something

[honk]

lmao

[fanaberia]

Er ... anon here is right, I believe what you are talking about is blood type (+/-) and genes. Nationality, ethnicity and race are social constructs, moreover identifying with a country trend begun in 18th century after French revolution. Beforehand, only upper classes had a semi-national identity, it hit other with major social revolutions.

[honk]

i'm not talking about blood type LMAO god

ethnicity and race are primarily social constructs yeah but both also have biological parameters; if you consider ethnicity the shared heritage of your ancestors than referring to yourself as - for instance - german (in an ethnic sense) is still correct

the major discrepancy in this thread is between referring to labels like irish and german as nationalities and referring to them as ethnicities that are shared through ancestry

[fanaberia]

The problem is there is no valid definition of "ethnicity", usually it's definied as shared culture, language, and/or religion. Also, you wouldn't really say that your ethnicity is German, it's a nationality. Ethnic branch would be Germanic. In my case it would be Slavic. However, this derived form a tribal area classification where various nations begun.

[honk]

"german" is a valid ethnic label too.

there's also no concrete definition for people who refer to themselves as "german" - be them citizens of germany or those of german ancestry - so claiming somebody "can't be german" merely because they live elsewhere is inherently false, which is my point.

[fanaberia]

German is a sub-ethnic group. My point is not that someone living abroad should be stripped of their nationality. Secret's OP mentioned someone not in thouch with their anestors' culture (or not having such ancestors). It's that ethnicity and race are social constructs. Anon above mentioned eugenics and really, that's creepy as fuck becuase it's based on suppossed ethnic and racial biological differences.

[(Anonymous)]

But there have been instances of genetic diseases or divergences popping up in specific areas. The region you and your ancestors lived in have a real, physical effect in your genes, all social constructs aside.

[fanaberia]

Nah, I'm not denying this, just diverging into politics :P . I'm not that great with medicine, but yeah it happens.

[(Anonymous)]

NO, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Due to centuries upon centuries of endogamy, many long-standing countries contain one or more closely related peoples.

If you want to call it revolting, fine, but realize that we are speaking in English and this is a fairly well understood construct in the major dialects of that language. Irish, German, Polish, etc., are used to mean "descended from" as well as "citizen of X country". It is not at all uncommon for someone with a distinctly ethnic surname to be asked if they are X. The OP seems to think that this is something created by Hetalia fandom when it is actually a common English/British/Australian/others usage.

[fuchsiascreams]

Yeah, I agree with this.

[diet_poison]

no one was saying that cultural identity is in DNA though. just that genetics are in DNA. which includes the genes of your ancestors