[ SECRET POST #1991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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22. [TRIGGER WARNING for mentions of suicide/self-harm]
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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kaileighblue]

I disagree. It's within their rights. Especially if they don't want their characters to be written in sexual situations since that's what most fics tend to be.

The fun of fandoms without fics is meeting new people and having fun because you love something that doesn't have to devolve into who's having sex with whom. Now I'm not saying fics or sex is bad, just that there is far more to offer than that. I've traveled across the country with fandoms friends from a fandom without a fanfic element. Not that it was prohibited, it just didn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Er, nobody's arguing that it isn't within an author's rights to say that fanfic shan't EVER EVER be written for their works (because people might make the characters do ICKY THINGS! SHOCK! HORROR!.

What people are saying is that it's a fucking stupid mentality for author's to have. Which it is.

[truxillogical]

Whups, the author disagrees with you, and has different opinions on their intellectual property. That is pretty stupid of them!

[(Anonymous)]

But...it is stupid.

Fanfiction: Don't like? Don't read. Pretty simple concept. If an author has problems with what people might be doing to their fictional made-up characters...just don't read the fic.

They shouldn't be doing that anyways.

(Btw, are you like paid to be The Author's White Knight or something? I swear, it's like you think it's ALL UP TO YOU TO DEFEND THEIR HONOR, while they cry into a bucket of money.)

[truxillogical]

I just think there's a matter of respecting someone who created something you like enough to make fanfic. And I'm just a little appalled by the attitude of a lot of fans in that regard. You don't have to obey them, but just a little bit of respect.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, personally, I just can't respect someone who holds a view that is so utterly nonsensical to me. Fanfiction harms no one. It doesn't steal away anyone's copyright in the night. If an author doesn't like fanfiction there's absolutely no reason that they would ever even see it anyways. So when they rail against it like it ate their firstborn child, I just can't take them seriously anymore.

Basically, I can't personally respect views that I don't consider worthy of respect. I might respect a writer for their writing capabilities, but that respect doesn't automatically extend to their views just because they wrote something I enjoyed.

[tei]

I don't think disregarding their preferences with regards to something they are perfectly free to ignore constitutes disrespect. Respecting an author means, principally, buying their books. Anything beyond that is not really relevant.

[truxillogical]

And like I said, I'm not even saying "don't write the fanfic." It's purely the attitude of "The author should be grateful and they're stupid if they don't like this" that gets on my nerves.

[kaileighblue]

No, it's not. Crazy thing some people like their ideas and characters to stay theirs. Not everyone is worried about the extra bucks they hypothetically could make off Sally's AU fic about the vampire characters as teens. (Or whatever.)

[(Anonymous)]

Um, a person writing fanfic doesn't make the characters any less of the author's. I don't even understand this kind of mentality. If a person writing fanfic meant the author was going to lose out on their property then JK Rowling should be a pauper right now.

And if you mean metaphorically "stay theirs," then I don't get this mentality either. If you are so insecure that you can't handle the thought that someone, out there, might do something to your characters...well, fanfiction is hardly your biggest problem in life.

(Also, you're going to be losing a lot of sleep because if we can all be sure about one thing, it's that fanfiction will be written.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it mostly likely will be written but that doesn't mean the author has to agree with it. Sure, you can see the benefits that this would give them and their fanbase but in the end it is up to them to want it or not.

The only time I would agree with you on this is with a writer not wanting fanfiction done on their own fanfiction. And that is only because it is hypercritical.

[(Anonymous)]

And I'm not saying an author has to agree with people writing fanfiction. What I am saying is that I reserve the right to think that they're being short-sighted, old-fashioned, and just generally wrong all around. Particularly when they attempt to go so far as to ban fanfiction, because that shows an incredibly sad amount of immaturity and insecurity to me.

Basically, authors can have whatever POV on fanfiction they like, and I can criticize them for it however I like.

(Also, IA about fanfiction writers not wanting fanworks of their fanfic being ridiculously hypocritical. I can't stand it when people do that.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anybody's saying that fandoms need porn & shipping to flourish, or that it's a necessary part of fannish participation. I'm really happy that you had that great experience with your fandom friends, too! However, I have a great experience shipping and writing porn with my fandom friends, and it sounds like you're saying that's dumb and frivolous. Of course you don't NEED to write about sex or ship to have fun, but some people do and that's also alright! Sex isn't gross or shallow, it's a human experience that is really important to many.

[truxillogical]

But the attitude of saying that an author is stupid if they don't want fanfic of their work isn't saying anything about sex as much as it's saying that the fans feel entitled to the author's approval. I mean, fans are gonna write fic whether or not the author approves, so why are they getting their pants in a twist about how "stupid" some author is for not "letting" them write fic, unless it's just because they feel like the author is a big meany for Not Liking Something.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I was replying to the previous commenter's attitude toward sexual stuff, not the discussion in general, but thanks.

As for what you're saying, I don't think authors need to approve of the porn or anything, but fandom usually exists in a comfortable state of the majority of fans doing what they want but not bothering the author, and the author pretending their fans are totally not weird. Going out of your way to be like, NO STOP DOING THAT feels like the author is saying, "I'm totally cool with you spending money on my works, but I'm going to tell you what to do with it in your own time." I don't expect the author to have to like what I'm doing with it in my own time, but it feels like as long as I'm not making any money off someone else's work, it's kind of my own business? That's what it is I guess.

[truxillogical]

I don't know that many authors go out of their way to discourage fanfic. Usually, it's because someone asked, and they said no, usually in a public setting.

[(Anonymous)]

Or because they found the fanfic and didn't like it. That seems more common, honestly.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you can't post fanfiction on FF.net for authors who forbid it has been a big blocker for a lot of fic. Not to mention Anne McCaffrey has been rather militant over the years about striking down fanfic authors. She seems to have stopped bothering, though. Every once in a while some published author writes some big long essay talking about how fanfic authors are all perverts who are wasting their time on garbage and he'll never allow that shit(like GRRM), which is insulting to say the least.

[(Anonymous)]

She seems to have stopped bothering, though

Probably because...you know. She died.

[(Anonymous)]

And to be fair, she did actually start allowing fan fic before she died. Just so so long as it wasn't slash of her characters. Which gave me the urge to write hardcore F'nor topping F'lar and I'm not even a (male)slash writer.

[(Anonymous)]

Write it! Write it! Write it! Write it!

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that any source material that goes into the public consciousness changes things. When Conan Doyle first wrote about Holmes going over Reichenbach falls, fans wore black in mourning. When the Star Trek series and the Star Wars movies come out, new authors starting writing their own stories (with the permission of the creators). Every comic reboot ever has been inspired by someone going, "I have more stories to tell with these characters." The portrayal of vampires and zombies has changed drastically over the last fifty years because of a really popular book, video game, or tv series characterizing them differently.

It is this enthusiasm that keeps these stories alive. They continue with or without the author. Conan Doyle started to loathe writing Sherlock Holmes but continued because he needed the money.Despite his opinions, his stories are still going strong over 100 years later. We remember Sherlock Holmes because people still tell stories about him. Just as they do for Lupin and Raffles to a lesser extent.

We remember Red Riding Hood and Sleeping Beauty because people keep telling new stories about them. Do you really think the original stories with rape and gore would have gone over as well with general audiences in our era?

Fanfiction is just that. People being interested enough to want to tell more stories.

P.S. I would never have heard of Life on Mars, one of my favorite series, without fandom. Thanks you <3

[billybobfred]

"Within their rights" and "stupid" are not mutually exclusive.

[(Anonymous)]

The fun of fandoms without fics is meeting new people and having fun because you love something that doesn't have to devolve into who's having sex with whom.

Eh. No. It just goes from being in fanfic to being in meta about that series. Also: having sex in a fandom rarely means that that there's all there is. Actually, I've never come across that at all.