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⌈ Secret Post #2005 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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08. http://i.imgur.com/H1X1Z.gif
[linked because uh not sure if this is porn or not; live action]

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09. http://i.imgur.com/pNcu1.jpg
[porn of the drawn variety - Tintin]

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11. [SPOILER WARNING for Hourou Musuko]

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12. [SPOILER WARNING for Prometheus]

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13. [SPOILER WARNING for Homestuck]

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14. [SPOILER WARNING for Avengers]

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15. [SPOILER WARNING for Merlin]

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16. [SPOILER WARNING for Tangled]

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17. [WARNING for ... pretty sure this has something to do with rape]

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18. [WARNING for rape]

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Um...Spike IS a would-be rapist.

"Would be?" I'm pretty sure he's got a few rapes in his past.

most vampires probably do. of course, rape probably isn't even the most evil thing they've done

Well, I don't watch Buffy, I'm just aware that he tried to rape her.

Is it really trying to rape someone if you stop of your own volition and run away?

...yes

what the fuck??

Hm. Seems kind of like the definition of NOT raping someone, in that, nobody was raped and nobody was forced to stop the would-be raping.

na

Holy shit are you serious?

Yes, they are. He's the VICTIM in all this, according to the Spike diehards. The abuse victim who fought back and is therefore innocent of all charges.

Like fuck.

That scene was definately sexual assault. Just because no genitals came in contact does not mean that non-con did not happen.

Well, first off: Wow.

Secondly: If someone is trying to rape you, and then for some reason they're like "Okay, I should stop doing this" then that's still attempted rape. They were in the process of raping you and stopped for whatever reason. That's kind of what attempted rape means. Changing his mind midway through doesn't change what he was trying to do.

DA

I think what's confusing other anon is that "attempted" has the connotation of "tried and failed because of outside forces" as opposed to like, deciding to stop themselves.

It's a difference, somebody attempting then stopping on their own, and somebody attempting and being forced to stop that would have gone on willingly otherwise.

I don't know how to put that into concise words though.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-07-05 17:36 (UTC) - Expand

...trololo?

He tried to rape her and then changed his mind.

The first part of that sentence is still true

This. The fact that he was a soulless monster at the time and actively changed this is really the only reason his character can continue to be likable for me.

The fact Buffy didn't just try to stake him next time she saw him (or much much earlier really) is only evidence of how fucked up she is independently of that incident.

Edited 2012-06-30 00:57 (UTC)

marginalutility.livejournal.com - 2012-06-30 04:34 (UTC) - Expand

insanenoodlyguy - 2012-06-30 05:22 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2012-06-30 07:17 (UTC) - Expand

Um, yes. Yes it is. Also, he didn't run away of his own violation: if Buffy hadn't fought back, he would have raped her.

That is also correct.

Yeah, I'm pretty positive that both Angel and Spike have raped women in their past.

...they eat people. Isn't the rape kind of a side issue by the time you get to a point where you're eating people? It's not like if you eat people and don't rape them everyone's going to be inviting you to join the country club.

Yeah, but it's not like if you rape people, but don't eat them, you'll be Mr. Popular, either. They're both equally atrocious crimes.

I have a hard time associating "eating someone" with being equally atrocious to "raping someone." Yet I don't disagree... I think my head's got them on such disparate scales of Wrongness that it seems weird to compare them at all. ~Things I never thought to compare before yay~ ;)

PS, your icon is captivating! Very gorgeous women.

Edited 2012-06-30 04:52 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, it's a pretty bad day in the neighborhood when you find yourself comparing the two. I think we can agree vampires were awful monsters at everything ever and call it even.

And thank you! ^^

Of course it's also true that at least twice prior to the 'attempted rape' incident, Buffy had twice forced sex on Spike, once when he didn't know she was there (invisible) and once when he specifically told her to leave after she'd made him feel like crap. Also she'd beaten him to where he couldn't move and left him for dead in an alleyway when he was only trying to stop her from turning herself into the police. She was the human, the 'hero', the one with the soul in the relationship and she pretty much set terms of brutality and non-consensual sex.

Oh, god, here they come, the "Spike's a poor widdle abuse victim, if he did try to rape her it was only self-defence" fantasists.

BULL

If you listen to some of his boasting about past glories, more than would-be.

Oh, sorry, I harshed all the buzz of the "my poor woobie abused Spike, Buffy is so meeeeen to him, she's such a bitch, she should love him, he deserves it for reasons!".

Yeah. Suuuuure.