[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

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Comments

[truxillogical]

Not really. The big difference, I guess, is that a book is a finite thing. It only exists as itself.

I guess maybe it's a concept of scope, too. Like I said, a library book is really only going to reach about 50 people per physical book. Maximum. (I'm really trying to remember if I've ever seen an item come up with over thirty uses. It's rare.) A book bought second-or-third hand only goes to one or two other people. It isn't turned into hundreds or thousands of itself. For the cost of a single item, it only reaches a (relative) few people, as opposed to hundreds/thousands.

I've honestly never heard anyone say "don't buy second hand books." I've never even heard creators say that.

I'm a pretty big fan of second-hand books for a number of reasons (we get/sell a lot of them at the library too, and staff always gets first crack. I've picked up a lot of awesomeness that way). They have a certain feel to them, a weight that's comforting. And yeah, cheap helps. I hear you on that last bit. Some 25-cent copies of early Dresden Files books are why I shell out way too much money for each hardcover the day it comes out.

[(Anonymous)]

physical books just aren't all the durable and almost impossible to make a physical copy of for backup uses

[(Anonymous)]

I keep hearing people say physical books aren't durable for more than 20-50 reads... but they are if you treat them like you'd treat anything of value. I have books that I've had since I was a kid that I read repeatedly, and a lot of them look brand new.

I have a 1901 copy of Emma that despite a little fading of the bindings due to sun and age is in wonderful condition. Books are the same as anything else, they will last if cared for.

[(Anonymous)]

Individuals may treat books like they're valuable but in general people don't, especially library books. I've seen library books with torn covers, writing in margins with some sort of liquid ink, ripped pages, water damage, damage from foodstuffs, mold, pages falling out and taped back together because of damaged spine, books becoming even more damaged after being taped back together because some idiot used acidic tape...

And when I lent books out to friends and explicitly told them to keep the books in mint condition, they were returned with folded corners and creased spines. Guess what? I learned my lesson. I don't let anyone borrow my favorite books anymore. The general public doesn't know how to keep books in mint condition and they don't care to even when the books are other people's property.

In my experience video game cartridges and discs can take way more abuse than paper books. If your experiences are different, good for you. You're a lucky anon.

[truxillogical]

Fun fact about libraries--nobody treats our stuff like it has any value. It doesn't belong to the patrons, so they have no problem letting their infants get their gummy little hands on it or whatever. Library books get destroyed. Frequently.

Your own personal collection, sure, those will last because you take care of them. I take care of my books, and they last. Because they're mine. The General Public will not extend the same courtesy to Free Stuff from the library. (That applies to movies too. I watch patrons let their infant child hold/open the cases to DVDs because, as far as they're concerned, it's a toy, right?)

[ariakas]

What? I treat my games like gold, but I know plenty of people who break, chip, and scratch the hell out of them in no time at all. Especially kids. Leave a DVD out of its case shiny side down and see how long it lasts.

That's why they sell game insurance. You can't make a book unreadable just by stepping on it.

[(Anonymous)]

Books don't last long in the hands of kids either. Sure books can be stepped on and still be readable, but books don't exactly survive being chucked in water, dunked in juice, being the subject of a coffee spill, drawn all over with markers and permanent markers, having pages torn out and scattered to the winds, having pages eaten.

Insurance exists because people put value on the item being insured. I think the lack in book insurance reflects how little people care about books rather than how durable it is.

[ariakas]

And yet, the argument that it's okay to resell books and not games because books are cheaper, less durable, and more replaceable is completely and utterly negated by the presence and social acceptance of the used car market.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, what? You talked about the durability of games (DVDs) and books and insurance. I replied about the durability of books, DVDs and insurance. What does reselling books and games have to do with our conversation?

For the record, I do not think it is not okay to resell games.

[ariakas]

Yes, but your argument that it is okay to resell books because they are less expensive and less durable than games is completely negated by the fact that - unless you believe used car sales are wrong, and you'd be the first person I've ever met - it is entirely socially acceptable, with no debate, to resell your car. Cars are much, much more durable and expensive than games.

So yeah, that argument doesn't really hold water in light of what is and is not generally considered "okay" to resell.

[(Anonymous)]

When did I ever argue that it is okay to resell books? And when did I say it is not okay to resell games?

Let me repeat what I said earlier.

You talked about the durability of games (DVDs) and books and insurance. I replied about the durability of books, DVDs and insurance. What does reselling books and games have to do with our conversation?

[ariakas]

But the reason we are talking about the durability of books versus games is in the context of why it is generally considered socially acceptable to resell books, but not games.

If you didn't want to carry on that conversation, but just wanted to point out that books are less durable than games for absolutely no other reason than to point out that books are less durable than games, but that it has no bearing on the conversation at hand about reselling whatsoever, then...

...Okay, bizarre interjection taken.

[(Anonymous)]

So no one should take comments at face value and everyone need to read posts more than one parent away to reply in the correct context? Thank you for teaching me conversational tangents don't exist, master.

[ariakas]

...Because without that context, I never would have brought up their respective durability at all, so yes. Following the context conversation is a worthwhile and important skill, especially if you're going to be invested enough in the outcome to respond a week later, and get butthurt enough about it to make snide, passive-aggressive comments.

A thought, for future.

[(Anonymous)]

Whatever you say, master. Four days doesn't make a week though. You should count better.

[(Anonymous)]

A friend and I buy Eighth Doctor books secondhand (for obvious reasons) and he actually had someone go apeshit on him about how you should NEVER EVER EVER BUY SECONDHAND EVEN IF IT'S OUT OF PRINT!!! because it's not fair to the author...

It was seriously one of the most bizarre displays of anger we'd ever seen. XD

[(Anonymous)]

Well, aside from the reasons I just stated, there's the bit where a video game is usually pricier than a book. And the same store that sells used copies sells them new as well, but there's a bit of a difference in profit from one to the other, so it might affect the store that way more than it would a used book store.

Also, not so many folks who read a book once and then sell it/donate it a week or two after buying it. Maybe with romance novels, but for comics especially, people tend to hang onto those for a while. So there's a bit of time lapse as well, whereas you see people turn around and sell a game back as soon as they've beaten it, which makes fairly new games available for cheap, no-profit-to-the-original-source, second-hand more quickly, while the game itself is still up on the shelf.

There's the other thing about comics. Western comics, at least, have grown up almost needing the second-hand market, because most floppies haven't been collected into trades, and trades go out of print. Those new games are still pretty available.

I don't really think it's killing the industry, though. Just maybe those could be some of the reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

I love second hand teach-yourself books. :) It's always interesting to see at what point exactly the previous owner stalled and it always encourages me to go on to somehow virtually "prove" to the previous owner that this thing can be finished. :D It helps in learning, seriously.