[ SECRET POST #2031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2031 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

19. http://i.imgur.com/U3tUp.png

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the saying was "bad rep" as in short for "reputation"....have I been saying it wrong all these years?

Those people are all very attractive.

[fingalsanteater]

http://stuffijustlearned.blogspot.com/2011/11/bad-rap-vs-bad-rep.html?m=1

There's a difference. You may have been using it right in certain circumstances.

the more you know

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

There are Western pop stars whose attractiveness is unconventional or, can we say, not universally acknowledged. Female examples aren't many, but they exist: Adele, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse, Madonna, Cher. Does K-pop have parallels to them? If so, I haven't seen them...

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

Madonna was pretty universally recognized as hot until she hit her forties (because ageism).

[(Anonymous)]

what

they're all pretty conventionally attractive, except maybe cher

adele has a very traditionally pretty face and she's not that overweight

[elialshadowpine]

Not now; she lost a good deal of weight over the last couple years. You can't really tell as much by the videos, either, because they used a lot of camera tricks to try to avoid showing her weight. But if you do a Google image for Adele 2008, you can see that she definitely was heavier. Most of the photos focus on her face, and she wears a lot of black and dark colors (which are slimming).

This is a comparison of photos of her over the past 4 years.

So... no, she's not now, but she was when she first started to become popular, which from what I can gather is something she started working on for her health after having throat surgery last year.

[(Anonymous)]

How attractive an individual finds them isn't really the point. The point is, they're different from the blonde-haired schoolgirl pop-singer model and from each other in a way that K-pop singers don't.

[(Anonymous)]

* They differ, grammar fail, it's early

[tabaqui]

No, try - Grace Slick, Elly Jackson (of La Roux), Wendy O Williams....

[fingalsanteater]

Who doesn't think Elly Jackson is attractive? I've had a crush on her for years and think she's gorgeous.

[tabaqui]

Oh, i think she's amazing looking, but she's not 'conventionally pretty', you know? A lot of people sneered at Sinéad O'Connor, but if you watch that 'Nothing Compare 2 U' vid, where the camera is just mostly focusing on her face, you can see she is frigging gorgeous.

But because she shaved her head, people couldn't see past that.

[(Anonymous)]

Further proving my point, thank you. Again, how attractive someone personally finds these individuals isn't my main point. They're are only intended to illustrate that you don't necessarily have to come from a cloning vat to be a successful Western female pop star. I don't believe the same is true for K-pop.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

K-Pop is pretty superficial, though. There is a lot of plastic surgery, heavy makeup and styling, and of course everyone has amazing bodies, and sometimes get those in unhealthy ways. IDK, all of these people look conventionally attractive to me. The only K-Pop idol I can think of who isn't is CL from 2NE1, and she's almost always wearing huge sunglasses or cartoonish eye makeup, and Shindong from Super Junior, who...IDEK, I don't follow Suju. I see more unconventionally attractive or even kind of ugly people with Japanese and Western pop stars, though I'd say those music scenes are still pretty superficial, just in a different way.

[(Anonymous)]

isn't all pop superficial? anyway, i'd much rather look at these guys than at lady gaga's fugly face.

[naturedichotomy]

UNF Ren.

. . . I have nothing else to say.

Transcript

[agentcthulhu]

So K-Pop gets a bad rep for being extremely superficial. Which is true. It is. But at the same time it's so much more diverse than the West in a lot of ways. You would probably never see a guy with as bandy of legs as Chanyeol has be considered really attractive, or "the pretty one" with a nose as magnificently hooked as Ren's. There's so much unconventional teeth in K-Pop there could be a whole secret just about teeth. And even though East Asia has a big hangup about eye creases, you still get guys like Onew who are really popular and considered attractive even though his eyes almost disappear when he smiles. And then there are Idols like Bang Yong Guk who would never be considered conventionally attractive, who manage to be extremely sexy through sheer force of personality.

S!B I like all of these guys way more because of these traits. And when you're a white girl, saying "I really like guys with monolid eyes" sound like exoticism. I'm not dehumanizing them, I just think they're pretty! Even though I have double-lidded eyes, my eyes disappear when I smile too. It's one of the first times I've liked people who look a lot like me.

It's awkward to talk about.

Summary and note to OP

[fingalsanteater]

Translation:

K-Pop gets a (deserved) bad rap for being superficial. But, I think it's more diverse than the west because of the idols who are unconventionally attractive. I like these guys because of their unconventional looks and monolid eyes. I don't want to be accused of exoticism since I'm a white girl with double-lidded eyes, so this is awkward to talk about.

Note to OP:

We get it. You want to squee about your K-pop idols. But, writing minuscule font novels on 600x600 px squares isn't the way to go about it. You don't leave us much to comment on when you lay out every thing there is to say in the body of the secret.

Re: Summary and note to OP

[idiothole]

LOL truest comment.

[idiothole]

Kpop is superficial, modern South-Korean society period puts way too much emphasis on looks. Sad but incredibly true facts. It's not just idols who get plastic surgery and diet dangerously just to stay thin - it's a lot of young people in Korea.

These facts don't change because you find some aspects of your favourite idols unconventional. (And single-lids are indeed more accepted on guys, because it's a feminine beauty ideal that girls' eyes should be big.) Most stars have had plastic surgery, and their look is carefully designed by the entertainment companies. Their hair doesn't dye itself crazy colours.

[spockachu]

I don't much about K-Pop beyond what I get by osmosis through my friend, but I'll say this: the fandom, at least, might not not be superficial, but it's craaaaazy obsessed in a detail-oriented kind of way.

As in, saying you could write a whole secret about teeth? Nothing wrong with that, but most fans in most fandoms wouldn't notice that stuff. Sure, there's assholes on ontd who'll talk about a celeb's bandy legs as if that makes them (the poster) better than the celeb, but most people really couldn't care less. K-Pop fans seem to have the most specific tastes when it comes to appearances, and it baffles me.

Again, not to say I look down on anyone for noticing someone's eye creases or whatever, whatever's fun for you. But for me, it's this rather than the "superficial" aspect that is baffling.