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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-25 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #2031 ]


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is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
why so many fics with interesting premises and eye-gougingly bad executions

why
biohazardgirl: (Default)

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

[personal profile] biohazardgirl 2012-07-26 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
It's hard to come up with a good idea and harder to execute one. It takes time and patience, and often people worry that their good idea will go away and then they'll lose their idea if they don't write it down RIGHT NOW. Drafting and redrafting a good idea is a skill that comes with time and patience.
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Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2012-07-26 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone can have a good idea, but not everyone has the tools or abilty to execute the idea successfully or competently. And, the thing about the internet is pretty much anyone can post anything they want and that thing can be seen or read by a lot of people. Other "idea" media, like movies, for example can't even get out of the creator's brain or off the script page without money, the right tools and a some luck, so you don't see "good idea, executed poorly" movies as often as you see "good idea, executed poorly" fic on the internet.

*I'm comparing amateurs writing on the Internet to amateur filmmakers making films on small budgets. We all know Hollywood films are often "good idea, executed poorly." (Or, good idea rehashed poorly :D.)

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe you just prefer your expectations to what others have written.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Possibly!

But, for example, a summary I came across:

Ayanna Potter is the girl who lived.

Oh, girl!Harry! I like those stories.

Also she is Dumbledores Golden Girl, or so he thought.

...Wait, those don't tend to end well.

She messed up all his plans by going to slytherin, and is feeling sympathy for voldemort.

...Okay, that could have potential, but that's just too blunt for a summary.

Warning: Dark but not bad Ayanna: Bad Dumbles: Misunderstood Voldemort"

If those aren't terms to run away from, then my name isn't Nony McMousse.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
LOL- that sounds pretty scary.
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Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2012-07-26 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't even really sound like a particularly good idea. Just some old clichés mashed together into bad fic.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
The girl!Harry who finds Voldemort's side seductive after being sorted into Slytherin (maybe Hagrid didn't pick her up and she never met Malfoy and Ron before going the sorting or something who knows) could be done interestingly, especially if the author used it to contrast with the choices and events in the books.

I personally would love to see Harry or girl!Harry deflecting to Voldemort's side and then regretting it once he/she realized how Voldemort is simply that skilled a manipulator and that he/she had been played for a fool.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Any literary agent would tell you that good ideas are a dime a dozen. Anyone can come up with one good idea; not everyone, however, can execute it.

See, ideas just come to you. Sometimes you can help them along (in terms of writing, this means paying attention to the world around you, learning from other people's works, doing writing exercises, keeping track of idea snippets so you can pull them together--in other words, "training your idea muscle," as it were), but you can't just voluntarily, on the spot, produce a good idea. It just happens, spontaneously.

Good execution, on the other hand, is never spontaneous. It's the product of practice, hard word, talent, and persistence. You have to put effort into it. Even if you're naturally talented and can write well without effort, you still have to sit down and write the bloody thing. And the vast majority of people can't do it effortlessly, which means they not only need to put effort into the actual sit-down-and-write aspect, but also in making the writing good. It's a lot more effort than an idea just coming to you.

In other words: Most people are "idea people," at least in this sense. Sure, there are some people who can write skillfully but have the creativity of a brick. But in general, the interesting premise is the easy part.

In relative difficulty level:

The idea: --
Execution: ----------------------------
Good execution: ---------------------------------------------------------

That's a huge jump in difficulty, right? Making the jump from idea to execution is hard enough. Making the second jump, to good execution, is beyond most people's ability and determination (and, often, they aren't even aware that the third level of "good execution," as opposed to just "execution," even exists--or, more accurately, they think they've made the jump to "good execution" all in one fell swoop, not realizing that they've really only jumped to "execution").

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
This is a very good comment, thank you for putting it in perspective so easily!

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm... food for thought, anon. I'm the type of person who has writing talent and skill (and is very careful about grammar and whatnot), but who isn't creative in the least. I don't have a single unique idea. It's pretty irritating :/

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
You could browse through fanfiction archives and see through the summaries and see what piques your interest.

In fact, I implore you to do so.

Heck, you could even post what fandoms your write for and ask for plot bunnies to write, or if you're into original works, as for people for ideas to do something.

I don't think anyone here is the "this was my idea you have to give me 50% of whatever your book earns I deserve it" type. (At least I hope so. D:)
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Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

[personal profile] biohazardgirl 2012-07-26 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
You could scroll through some kink memes and fill prompts.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
I can't tell you how comforting it is to know that I'm not the only one like this. I can't come up with my own ideas to save my life, but people seem to really enjoy my writing, both online and off. I suggest filling prompts on kink memes if your fandom has one or maybe even asking about plot ideas people might like to see in an anon meme. It's worked pretty well for me thus far.

Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
Plus, if you already have followers of some sort, taking requests every now and then totally makes their day.
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Re: is everyone an "idea" person or

[personal profile] biohazardgirl 2012-07-26 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
+1 This comment is good and you should feel good.