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⌈ Secret Post #2066 ⌋

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[kallanda_lee]

You know what, there are more liberal congregations that *do* consider you a jaw even if it's on the father's side.
Regardless, you could convert.Jewish culture and ritual could have been part of your everyday environment at home - so you might well consider yourself culturally Jewish.

I know it's not tradition, but not everyone sticks to it as closely.

(Also - a relative of mine was "only" Jewish on his dad's side, but that didn't stop the Nazi's from putting him in a concentration camp - so there's that).

[diet_poison]

amusing typo :)

[kallanda_lee]

Story of my life.

[(Anonymous)]

Being Jewish only on the father's side didn't stop three of my friends from making the Birthright trip, either.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for that. You know the really annoying thing about the attitude as well is that it didn't even use to be the case, people were Jewish if their father was, then it was changed due to women being raped in war etc, it was easier to work out if it went down the mother's side.

I would be Jewish on my father's side and yeah, a friend did mention to me once that I would have been in the camps, it was enough to be considered Jewish by the Nazis, but not enough for the faith, meh.

[(Anonymous)]

1. Check out the link below about who is a Jew. It makes a case for the matrilineal line way before from way before it was supposedly changed.

2. I refuse to use Hitler's standards as to who is or is not a Jew.

[thren]

Thing is, Judaism is all about tradition. And more than that, it's law. Reform and left of that have decided that they don't need the law anymore- doesn't mean that the law isn't still binding. Patrilineal descent was the big break between liberal movements. I'm a convert, and while I won't tell anyone they're not Jewish, I definitely look differently at those who claim their status as Jews through their father.

Also, I hear that 'Jewish enough for Hitler' thing a lot, but Hitler was a genocidal maniac I'm not going to take his definition of anything having to do with us.

[(Anonymous)]

...while I won't tell anyone they're not Jewish, I definitely look differently at those who claim their status as Jews through their father.

Wow. That's pretty disgusting, actually.

[thren]

It's a pretty good compromise when the alternative could be 'fuck you, you're not Jewish', actually.

[kallanda_lee]

A lot of things are about tradition, until tradition changes. I'm nt saying you should, I'm just saying that as time progresses other views on old traditions, and new traditions altogether, do occur.o

[thren]

I know, that's why I converted through the Masorti/Conservative movement. I'm all for adapting and chucking out stuff that doesn't work, but I think there's a fine line between change because it's good, needed, and what is intended, and change for change's sake. I just don't think patrilineal descent is one of those changes that's needed. It seems clear that the purpose is to bolster numbers and encourage people to become involved in shul. Which is good, but Judaism isn't about having asses in seats. My 2¢.