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⌈ Secret Post #2076 ⌋

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It is never as specifically addressed as it needed to be, but I am pretty sure the intention was that

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this is showing the disturbing effects of the crack in Amy's wall, which is erasing everyone in Amy's life as if they never existed, so she forgets the people in her life. Amy is forgetting Rory, and acting in a disturbing manner that disturbs the Doctor.

They didn't play this quite right, or explain it properly, but the Doctor is disturbed. I don't think they should have put it in if they couldn't do it properly, but I think this is what they were going for. Amy becomes less callous about Rory after the crack is dealt with.

Um but she wasn't forgetting Rory?

I get what you're saying that maybe her behavior was different because she didn't remember her family and huge chunks of her life were missing... but like you said the show really did not address that. For all we know that was just Amy being Amy.

But honestly Amy's characterization throughout her entire run is a mess, she's constantly having memories taken from her, or inserted, or she's not really there because she's a doppelganger... etc etc. I don't think we even know who Amy is.

See, that seems like a really good idea but it was portrayed very poorly if what you say is true.

While an audience isn't stupid and we don't like being talked down to we can't read minds so a writer does have to properly convey their ideas.

I'll take that as my personal head!canon so I can like her character more.

Thank you.

It's being spearheaded by Steven Moffatt, of course it was portrayed poorly.

Ahaha, all I hear about that guy is negativity. Does anybody like him anymore?

The fanboys on the big Gallifrey Base forum probably still like him, the ones who don't just complain for fun and/or bcos it isn't Old Who, that is. (But I've run screaming for the hills and won't come back.)

I have not heard of that place but you make it sound like a hive of evil.

Does this hive represent the majority of viewers?

"Mainstream" Doctor Who fandom is a hive of evil, in my rarefied opinion. Decades of wank piled on top of one another. IDK, I realised I only ever hung out there when I was feeling masochistic. I'll still watch the show but I'm done with that site. Though when I left, there was beginning to be an influx of fangirls, and they were generally more positive (if sneered at by some of the old-timers).

GB doesn't represent the majority of viewers at all (known colloquially as the "Not We" on the forum), I suppose ratings would be the best way to assess Moffat era vs RTD era in terms of reception.

Interesting. Thank you for letting me know.

Well now I have to go look up the ratings. :)

Oh, I forgot, Steven Moffat used to post on that forum, or rather, its predecessor.

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

The ratings are still similar
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)

The only 2 seasons without a significant change (new doctor, last episodes etc) have been series 3 and 6. Series 2 and 5 could be compared too (new doctor).the only thin missing are the still massive I-player numbers.

Huh, interesting. Thank you.

Well, if people hate him so much they aren't showing it. The only way to get him to change would be to let his ratings drop.

This times a billion. I went running from Gallifrey Bases ages ago.

Since when did fandom of any kind ever represent the majority of viewers? The majority of viewers are always "norms", "not-we" (watch Kinda), "non-fen": they see things differently, and care about different things. Lord help us if programmes tailored thenselves to the demands of fans.

You know, if people haven't seen Kinda, I can see that the whole "not-we" thing might sound very different. It's extremely appropriate (and pretty funny) if you're familiar with the story.

I'm kind of assuming that with the internet, fandom is becoming a more normal hobby. The "norms" are joining in with us, if only a little bit.

Not everyone in fandom has to be hugely active, go to cons, etc. Maybe I worded the question wrong but I'm more interested in the strength of a fandom and how large it is vs. the amount of fans who enjoy the canon. Sure, it's most likely that it's way smaller but comparing that size discrepancy among fandoms and over the years is interesting to me.

Oh, Doctor Who fandom is huge, and always has been really. But Doctor Who has a huge audience (something ridiculous, like half the UK, watch the occasional episode, and episodes get viewing figures that amount to like a tenth of the UK population), so you'd expect that.

The more centralised fandom certainly used to centre around Doctor Who magazine, and then Outpost Gallifrey when it was called that, and then The Doctor Who Forum when Outpost Gallifrey closed. Doctor Who magazine is still central to this, but not such a necessary hub given the internet. This is where you will find fans who have grown up in the fandom, fans who have been fans for decades, fans who went on to create and get funding for the new series (2005), fans who wrote the officially published tie-in material and unofficial stuff, who made thinly-veiled videos of new Doctor Who adventures (by other names) which sometimes even featured actual actors from the series.

It is old-school fandom, and it assumes a basic familiarity with the decades of source material (even if that familiarity comes from reading various condensed guides and annuals, rather than from watching much of it). It also has various members who have been getting wound up since 2005, as newbies arrive all fresh and bushy-tailed, without knowing the 'rules' or having been through the 'pain' of the cancelled years.

There used to be a joke: "How many Dr Who fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? They don't: they just sit around and wait for it to come back on." Feel the anguish!

But there are loads of other places on the internet where people have started their own mini-fandoms without any reference to the old established one.

Oh, I should add that The Doctor Who Forum closed in 2009, and there wasn't a single replacement. Gallifrey Base is run by many of the same people who ran The Doctor Who Forum, and took a lot of the community (but not all of it), so the fandom is somewhat more scattered than it once was.

There are always some in the established fandom who wail that all the new stuff is awful, but frankly I don't think they remember what the old stuff is actually like.

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Nope.

Or, at least, most people have a love-hate relationship with him. He's very good at a few tricks that get people hooked, and he's also a completely awful person.

Tbh, Moffat is pretty much a glorified troll who is paid to write fanfiction (seriously, everything he writes is fanfiction. Sherlock & Dr. Who and Jekyll. Coupling is literally just his life rewritten.). It's pretty impossible to actually completely like the guy, his whole thing is that he's a troll, and he's one of those racist, sexist ones too.

"Tbh, Moffat is pretty much a glorified troll who is paid to write fanfiction"

And this makes him different from JNT, how, exactly? /blasphemy-burn-the-heretic-etc

I see him as a lot like George Lucas. Has some great, compelling ideas as long as he has superiors to wipe off the stupid.

That's... interesting. You make me glad I know so little about him.

It's too bad he doesn't have some person reining him in when he needs it.

Yeah. Tbh the best parts of Sherlock are when you can tell it was a collaborative effort instead of solely Moff's stuff. He's good on his own in small doses and he's an excellent collaborator, but his writing style and his belief system has qualities that just make him too much when it's concentrated Moffat.

I almost feel like that for most writers. Obviously there are those that are better on their own than Moffatt but overall I like when people write together with others.

For example, in Star Trek, Stargate, any videogames, I normally like the episodes/parts more that were obviously collaborative. I feel when you have multiple people that expanded view really adds something. These multiple people can help uphold the script where the other the others writers may be weak.

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