[ SECRET POST #2078 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2078 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sigh. Like it or not, neither Suzanne Collins nor anyone else is under any obligation to write what you want to see. Neither is Hollywood obligated to cast what you want to see. They are not under obligation to write heroes of your ethnic background, gender identification, sexual orientation, religious persuasion, or anything else. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

You want more POC / LBGTQ / female / whatever heroes? There's one way to get them. Write them yourself. Dead serious here. It did wonders for my blood pressure and peace of mind when I finally decided that, every time I saw or read a story in which women were treated dismissively, cast as "shallow love interest," or shoe-horned into stereotypical roles,instead of getting pissed off about it, I would sit down and write a story in which the main character and Big Damn Hero was a woman. (It also did wonders for my writing ability.) And god knows the world needs more good fiction with POC / LBGTQ / female heroes. So, yeah. The only one who is guaranteed to create stories you want to see is you.

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[lilypadhead]

A rational, realistic, non-provocative, and positive response?
On FS? Neh, on the Internet?! Tis a miracle, truly.

[ecoerrante]

This pretty much.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like there's an assumption here that people who complain aren't writing the heroes they want to see, and running into blocks and prejudices in Western publishing and movie industries when they try to get it out there, such as shameless whitewashing in adaptations. I think this problem goes deeper than "lol write it yourself".

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. It's just perpetuating this idea that POC are lazy twiddling our thumbs and complaining. Yep, in the history of cinema colored folk have just sat on their asses and haven't tried to create opportunities for themselves at all. Thanks so much, white people, for telling us to get off our rumps.

And that's ignoring the fact that still most casting directors/studio heads, etc are predominantly white and and the structure of power in business heavily favors white people continuing to stay in those roles of decision making. Nope, let's just blame POC for not being proactive enough.

[(Anonymous)]

Being bitchy and passive-aggressive towards the people holding power will definitely help our plight though!

[(Anonymous)]

It blows off steam, which is more helpful than your comment.

[(Anonymous)]

Because there isn't any institutionalized racism in Hollywood that prevents a huge glut of POC writers, directions and other behind the scene people from breaking through, amirite?

Oh wait.

Your reasoning is as flawed as all hell. Hollywood can not pull "WELL WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PANDER TO YOU" when it is a part of the racist system, sorry to say. Like or not, Hollywood has a very profound effect on people when it comes to people, whether they admit it or not. Pretty much every stereotype about people have traces originating (or at least popularized) from Hollywood. Hollywood, like most media, is a microcosm of society. You can not win the fight against -isms if you have one sector of society still spewing out them with impunity.

But let's not act like Hollywood is embracing any POC writers who mainly writes POC. Let's not act like they don't try to explain away when a POC-dominant movie that makes bank as a fluke despite it keeps happening. Let's not act like when they DO get interested in a POC-dominant story/script/what have you, they don't instantly whitewash most if not all characters because the POC characters are just not relatable even though POCs do just fine with White characters, AND THEY DO THAT EVEN IN BIOPICS! Let's not act like most of these movies don't take place in big cities that are highly diverse but it's an very dominant white cast with one POC character (2-3 if we're fucking lucky, and more than one is a WOC character if we're good enough!). I can fucking go on...

Stop putting the fucking onus of the lack of diversity in Hollywood on POC. It's not like we're fucking trying like hell. Good fucking lord.

When George Fucking Lucas has to finance a movie on his own dime because it dared to have a mostly Black cast, what in the fuck chances most POC have without the connections and money? You would think that someone like Tyler Perry is basically printing money because Black people are fucking starved to see portrayals of them that is actually diverse (although noted that his movies are usually shit and problematic as all hell) would ring some serious bells. BUT NOPE.

This is not on us. Don't you gotdamn dare.

[(Anonymous)]

welp, whinging about it on the internet is certainly going to change things.

[lilypadhead]

It sucks, but that's the way it is.

Did you miss that part? I don't think anon supports the way Hollywood handles race, I know I don't. But anon's point wasn't about right and wrong, it's about reality.
I wish, I really do wish that you could just call out Hollywood like a misbehaving child and that they'd correct themselves, but that kind of response gets you nowhere. I can guarantee you, if this volatile, aggressive response is how who try and get people to do what you want, you will get nowhere. It's not that I like it, or I think it's right; but it's the ugly truth.

In a perfect world, in a just world, the oppressed wouldn't have to fight for equality; but guess what, it isn't. You say 'this isn't on us'; guess what, it is. You know why? Cause if we don't do something, no one will. Hollywood doesn't care about social injustice, until it starts affecting their wallets.

I think trying to support and give publicity to minority authors is a good way to go, and educate and inform people who are unfamiliar with these types of issues (I know what you're thinking 'we shouldn't have too', and you know what, I agree, but unfortunately life isn't fair like that). Yelling and insulting people doesn't work, it just makes the entire movement look bad.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish, I really do wish that you could just call out Hollywood like a misbehaving child and that they'd correct themselves, but that kind of response gets you nowhere. I can guarantee you, if this volatile, aggressive response is how who try and get people to do what you want, you will get nowhere. It's not that I like it, or I think it's right; but it's the ugly truth.

What? This "violate" type of response gets shit done. Nothing when it came to civil right was done nicely. Not even Gandhi or MLK Jr were "nice" about it because they constantly called out shit for it.

Anger got shit done and will continue to do so. Niceness doesn't get anything done and gets easily dismissed.

I don't know about you, but I am not satisfied with shit like it is, that blase attitude only adds to the problem.

Tone Argument

[(Anonymous)]

http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/the-tone-argument/

Stop worrying about how 'the movement' looks. People have a right to be angry and to express that anger. Your chosen method is not the only one out there.

[gobbledigook]

Sitting back and accepting that hollywood is going to keep acting like only the stories of white people are worth telling will just keep things the way they are though. It's also pretty unfair to expect OP to just stay on the sidelines reading internet fiction or the odd published history while the main stage is occupied by only one kind of people. Why should she settle for that? Also, by your logic, OP is under no obligation not to complain.

[(Anonymous)]

part of recognizing that media is racist/sexist/homophobic and etc and that there needs to be more media featuring characters of different experiences and backgrounds is

well

acknowledging that that media is racist/sexist/homophobic and etc and that there needs to be more media featuring characters of different experiences and backgrounds is

part of that is calling out shit when we see it. there's nothing wrong with questioning what's out there now. how on earth would you have noticed that there were so few good female characters if you hadn't acknowledged the ones you were reading and watching were shit in the first place?