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After watching the VP debate I ended up liking him, which surprised me. The way he was able to keep a cool head and stay classy throughout all of Biden's inappropriate smirks, groans and laughs really impressed me. And seeing him with his kids and family afterwards was really cute.

He was at his classiest when he told that story about the family who lost members in a fatal car crash.

I meant classy in regards to his demeanor and composition, not necessarily what was said.

DA

How can you separate being classy from what he said, though? He lied. Simple as that. If even Fox News calls a conservative out on lying, that says a lot. Why would Biden be obliged to show someone respect who goes on national television and lies to the American people? Who dodges questions? Biden wasn't disrespectful, he was rightfully angry.

He was classy in the sense that he took Biden's immaturity with grace and did not make a big stink about it. If it was me I would have probably got up and punched the guy or something.

Perhaps I'm just extremely jaded, but I don't expect any politician, regardless of party, NOT to tell at least one lie during a big debate like this. They're politicians, it comes with the territory. And I find your comment about lying to the American public very interesting, especially given Biden's comments on the Bengzhai embassy security.

You might not think that Ryan deserves respect, but if you are a politician there is some degree of dignity and composure required. Even if you loathe the other person, you have to at least act cordial. If anything happens to Obama, Biden is in charge, and after yesterday's performance I would NOT want that man representing my country in front of the world. I don't care that he was angry. I cared that he acted immaturely and could not get his act together with the constant dismissive smirks and chuckles. Even when Ryan was speaking, all the attention was on Biden. Perhaps that was part of his strategy, I don't know. All I do know is that it certainly did not endear him to me and many other independent voters.

Right. The scumbag who wants to take away my ability to decide what I can and can not do to my own body deserves respect. No thanks. Romney interupted Obama a lot, and that was shown as him ~taking charge~. So damn sick of the hypocrisy of the whiny republicans who want to throw us back into the damn darkages. Yes, lets use the bible to run our country-good idea! While you're at it, please do take away my ability to vote. I'm just a silly womenz after all!

Silly little girl, you haven't figured out that Republicans don't have to meet the standards they require for everyone else.

First off, I'm not Republican. I said in my comment that I was an independent voter, so I don't know what the ever-loving fuck you are talking about.

Second, you view abortion as an issue of agency. Others view it as an issue of murder. I would hope, given the grayness of the topic, both sides would at least respect each other and understand where the other is comic from without degrading to savage levels of rage and vitriol, but if I honestly believe this I might as well start saving up my money to buy that bridge.

Third, I did not even mention the first debate, nor my opinion of Romney, so again, I don't know what the ever-loving fuck you are talking about. And if you read my most carefully instead of just reading the first line, you would see that my problem with Biden were the smirks, the chuckles, and how the attention was placed on him even when Ryan was talking. I never mentioned anything about interruptions. When Romney starts laughing, eyerolling, and acts in a generally distracting manner when Obama talks, I will (rightly so) call him out on it.

Fourth, nothing was said about the Bible, or taking away rights to vote. So again, for the last time, I ask, what the ever-loving fuck are you talking about? You seem to be having some serious projection issues here.

Yeah, yeah, "Independents" like you are never Republicans, you just coincidentally agree with everything they do.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-10-14 05:20 (UTC) - Expand

Others view it as an issue of murder.

There's a word for people like that: wrong.

Murder is when you kill a person. Until it exits my uterus, it's not a person, it's a part of my body and I can do whatever the fuck I want with my body. Because I am a person.

Maybe Biden wouldn't have been so "rude" if Ryan hadn't tried to shake him up with the car crash story. I guess acting "composed" afterward erases the cold-bloodedness (thoughtlessness at best). Frankly, Biden is exactly the guy I want representing my country, someone who can stay cool after some jackass backhandedly throws his family tragedy in his face instead of choking said jackass and stomping his balls into two grease spots.

Biden was acting rude WAAAY before the car crash story, so he doesn't even have that excuse. I honestly believe it was carelessness, but this is obviously a YMMV issue. And if Biden was shaken up by it, that does excuse his behavior, as this was something that continued on for at least the first half of the debate. And again, if you are in a position of power it is your job to act composed, even when you feel the exact opposite.

If you want him representing America, good for you. I sure as hell don't. I personally wouldn't describe his behavior as "cool," but rather "douchey." Again, YMMV.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-10-14 16:15 (UTC) - Expand

So, he came across as classy to you because you lack the ability to control yourself when someone is "mean" to you.

K.

lol no.

The word "mean" was never used, so stop putting words in my mouth. Anyone who could keep a straight face when someone acts like an obnoxious, distracting twat throughout the first 30 minutes of a debate (at the very least) when someone else is talking deserves some recognition.

*composure

AYRT

Oh. I guess words and character matter more to me than how a person looks.

Yes, clearly I am voting for someone based on how they look and giving not a second thought to their policies.

What the actual fuck? It impressed me how he was able to keep his cool and composure. I stand by that. I said nothing about how I view his policies or character, but hey, you keep on projecting.

You've been all over this thread saying that you think highly of him because of the way he appeared, for that reason alone. I wasn't particularly referring to physical appearance. Forgive us for getting the impression that your standards are such that a politican can say whatever, no matter how bad or untrue, as long as they look "cool" and "composed" while doing it (or if you don't like their opponent), and you'll like them just for that.

I didn't say I thought highly of him; you're putting words in my mouth. I said I ended up liking him because how he was able to keep a cool, professional demeanor, and it was sweet how he interacted with his kids. That doesn't mean I agree with his views; I always give credit to those who can keep calm and professional when it is very difficult to do so, as it is a skill I sorely lack. I can have a less-than-charitable view of his policies, but that doesn't mean I have to hate every aspect of him. People are a lot more complicated than that, and to shove them into boxes does a disservice to both the individual and the one making the judgment.

Honestly? I don't care what you personally think of my standards, whatever you perceive them to be. I just saw you putting words in my mouth and wanted to set the record straight.

I don't understand how you can call a man classy when he knowingly (and don't tell me it wasn't knowingly -- everyone knows that about Biden) told a story about a life-altering car crash to a man who lost his wife and daughter in one. As a way to gain sympathy points in a debate. That was disgusting and exactly the opposite of class.

You can talk all you want about Biden's smirking, but did he say anything about Paul Ryan's personal tragedies? Even though Ryan's views on social security and social welfare directly contradict his actions after his father's passing and therefore could actually be viewed as fair game? No, because any person with dignity knows that's a thing you don't do.

Seriously. That's like a celebrity going on Letterman or Leno and telling a story about someone's family being murdered by a jilted ex while sitting next to Jennifer Hudson.

Worse -- it's like a celebrity talking about how they were ~personally affected~ by a story like that during Oscar season.

I really do think it was thoughtlessness. You might not agree, but I don't see what would possibly possess him to tell that story about a car crash when he knows full well that it would come across as insensitive. The whole point of that anecdote was to gain sympathy; having the story center around a car crash would do the exact opposite. It's illogical.

I said classy in regards to his physical composure, how he was able to keep a cool head when dealing with immaturity that should not be seen in a Vice President. I think this is the second time I'm saying this, but I wasn't thinking about words spoken when I wrote my original comment. I was just thinking that Biden's behavior reminded me of high school and I give Ryan credit for being able to keep his cool when I know I certainly wouldn't be able to.

And I give Biden credit for not saying "what the fuck is wrong with you?" at that moment. I also really doubt it was sheer thoughtlessness. Do you know how much these guys prepare for these debates? They rarely say anything that's not pre-planned and vetted by their teams, especially not a story that rehearsed.

And frankly, I loved that Biden was calling him on the lies he was openly telling, even if he interrupted to do it. The segment where Ryan kept trying to claim bipartisanship with Democrats and Biden refuted every single name he dropped was very cheering to me after Obama refused to call out Mitt Romney for all his lies.

Then why would he say it? It just completely baffles my mind; there is literally no strategic value (at least that I am aware of) of saying that anecdote if he knew full well it will make him appear insensitive. I find it a lot easier to believe that the Republicans who prepped him did not even think of the connection.

I said this earlier in the thread, but I don't have a problem with the interruptions (I didn't have a problem when Romney did it and I didn't have a problem when Biden did it). My issue was the smirking and the chuckles, which just appeared unprofessional. And I'm glad he called out lies! All politicians should do this (seriously, Obama, wtf?). But Biden wasn't entirely truthful, either: he said the embassy didn't want security, when there is evidence to the contrary.