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Comments

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[al28894]

As a South-East Asian, I can't make my opinion without making some sort of bias, but I can say that not all parents do this on this side of the world.

I guess one of the reasons it's still going on is that we walue education more than entertainment. Heck, just a few years ago my father cut the fun package in the cable natwork because "You are now old enough to get over these kids shows." No, I'm not Dad. Now my only outlet to cartoons, movies and fandom right now is my laptop. I guess the main primary reason for this is that our parents want us to have a good future that they don't have, and that anything that deviates from that goal (not studying, entertainment) must be dealt with swiftly to prevent a recurrence.

Now that has been said: I still promote the use of caning, but only in sovier cases of bullying or in the case of harming somebody. Caning just because of not studying is a big no-no for me.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[yeahscience]

I guess one of the reasons it's still going on is that we walue education more than entertainment.

I don't understand the connection you're drawing at all here. What does valuing non-corporal punishment over corporal punishment have to do with valuing education? My parents never hit me, so they value entertainment over education?

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

White and culture parents encourage their kids to become celebrities; Asian parents want their kids to become doctors.

When you're aspirations for your kids are to become the next Paris Hilton, why discipline them at all? If they act like a unmotivated, lazy brat that's one step in the right direction.

Asian parents, on the other hand, need to enforce respect, discipline and the importance of hard-work if they want their kids to get to med school.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

What.

None of the white parents I knew wanted that at all. They wanted their kids to be doctors and lawyers. I knew a girl who was pressured out of becoming a history teacher because it was not enough pay or respectful enough.

Stereotyping is really bad mmkay?

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Excuse me?

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[inkdust]

Please, introduce me to an average parent who wants their kid to be the next Paris Hilton.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Then what about all these beauty pageants and rubbish that goes in white Western culture?

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Most white people find that shit stupid...and borderline pedophilic.

You can't pretend that just because a few people are terrible that all of them believe the same things. :|

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

I know that some white don't like that stuff, my point was that Asian people don't have shit like that in our culture.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[inkdust]

That's why I said average parent. The pageant shit is a cultural subset, frequently an uneducated one, and I think it's also often more focused on childhood and adolescence - not as an aspiration for adult life. In some cases, certainly, but pageants and shows about them have gotten so much attention because those people are largely seen as ridiculous.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[mekkio]

Yes, EVERYONE who is white does this. EVERYONE. Toddlers and Tiaras is a true reflection of all of Western culture.

/HOMER: And if you can't tell, I am being sarcastic!

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Are you insane? My parents talked me out of being an artist, taking a degree in history, and becoming an author as life goals--all of them because they wouldn't be let me be financially secure.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[mekkio]

This is so racist it has to be troll.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[greenvelvetcake]

You are really intent on digging this hole all the way to the other side of the earth, aren't you?

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[yeahscience]

Well, that's the silliest and most racist thing I've read so far today. Granted, it's early.

I'm starting to thing this might be a troll, guys

[tyger66]

HOLY IGNORANT BULLSHIT, BATMAN!

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[fickletastictot]

Corporal punishment isn't just an Asian thing, it happened all over the world until very recently. (See: English boarding schools)

What is your fascination with Paris Hilton? Her 15 minutes were up long ago.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[ariakas]

Wow, you deserve the full 10/10. I don't think I've ever given that to a troll before, but you really raised the bar. I didn't catch on until right here, almost at the end of the thread.

Brava, brava!

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[al28894]

Kinda ignorant and unknowing here. What is corporal punishment?

I'm not that good at English so forgive me if I borked up the translation. I guess this may make it easier to understand.

Mind of a parent: Education --> success.

For them, and especially my father, "Entertainment --> lower grades" or "Laziness --> lower grades". Some parents think "Entertainment --> Laziness --> lower grades". So, they think that to improve their children, they must either cane the laziness out of their children or restrict them to entertainment. Or both. Or switch them. Or punish you for entertainment when you should have been doing your tuition homework (happens far too often).

Don't ask me how this logic works. Even I'm confused as you do. O__O

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Corporal punishment is physical punishment, hitting / spanking / caning. Non-corporal punishment does not involve pain.

I think the thing that people are objecting to is the idea that there's a natural link between "Caring about your child's education and wanting them to succeed and take things seriously" and "hitting your kids." You seem to be saying, essentially, that Western parents don't hit their kids because they don't care about their kids' education and just want their kids to be entertained, whereas Asian parents do hit their parents because they care about their education - in other words, that Western parents don't hit their kids because they don't care about them and just want to let them watch TV all day. Can you see why that would be pretty anger-inducing to some people?

You can care about your kids' education and take that shit seriously without hitting them; conversely, you can take it lightly and be a shitty parent and hit your kids. "Hitting your kids" as a parenting strategy does not have a 1:1 match with "taking education seriously". My parents never let me watch TV; they placed enormous stress on doing homework, studying, doing well, and being respectful and hard-working. They never once hit me. You know? It's that kind of overgeneralization that's making people get a little weird.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[al28894]

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Huh. To be honest, I never actually thought of that before.

At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, I'm kinda imagining you arguing with my father, the disiplinary teacher of my school and my religious studies teacher about your views.

Well, if I were completely honest, not all parents around here use physical punishment to their children. But the idea of using it as a deterrent to lazy schoolwork has been around for so long that most would use some form of it.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[(Anonymous)]

Haha. I'm sure that would be a fun conversation. Especially the religious dimension - I went to a Catholic school, and when I heard stories from people who went there when I was growing up, they did use corporal punishment, stopped maybe 25 or 30 years before I went there, and lord am I glad they did stop. But they still did a damn fine job of making sure that no one screwed around, and I don't think they would have screwed around less if we had been hit.

People took learning seriously (another thing I just remembered: my parents didn't let me have video games till I was probably 12 or 13, and then it was limited to only before noon on Saturday morning). It's just that you really don't need to hit kids to have discipline.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[yeahscience]

As the anon said, corporal punishment means physical punishment -- hitting, spanking, caning, etc.

A parent can be completely against corporal punishment and still completely value education. There's absolutely no connection between the two. There might have been a connection in your father's mind, but that's only in your father's mind. Objectively, they aren't connected at all.

My parents are the two most educated people in our family and have always encouraged my education above all else -- even entertainment was viewed as a road to education when I was growing up. They're also strongly against hitting as a punishment. Frankly, it's kind of offensive to suggest that because someone didn't get caned as a kid, their parents don't care as much about their education.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[al28894]

...was it really offensive? I didn't think of it when I wrote that.

You are one lucky commenter, you know that? I got belted by my dad for not doing my homework and my religious studies teacher would use his ruler on our hands if we don't do our homework as well. To be honest, I don't like using the cane on anybody unless he or she has intentionally injured someone.

Re: Punishing kids (trigger warning)

[yeahscience]

Honestly, yeah, it is offensive. I mean, you basically said that if parents don't hit their kids they don't value their kids' education. I get why you said that, but uh, my parents most definitely valued my education despite not hitting me.

And I'm certainly lucky in that particular regard. Not so lucky in other ways, but yes, I'm grateful I grew up in a household and a school system without corporal punishment.