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⌈ Secret Post #2133 ⌋

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Comments

[rivia]

*Rey

her lip injections used to bug me, but they've settled in and look a lot better than they did. i still think she's a great artist, cultural appropriation aside.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that the concept of cultural appropriation is pro-segregation and anti-racial mixing, right?

/mixed-race person

[rivia]

clearly i should have just said 'the headdress thing'.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the 'the headdress thing' was a shitty move as well, I just take issue with a concept that directly opposes my existence. *shrug*

[misstwist]

Yaah, because "the headdress thing" is SO MUCH BETTER than calling it what it is: a perfect example of "Cultural Appropriation."

[rivia]

i just meant 'oh i just knew somebody was going to start dumb shit over the lack of specification in my original comment ffs' and kicking myself for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly hadn't heard that before. It makes sense though. Gives me something to think about.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and the type of people who subscribe to those kind of ideas have no qualms about telling us how our families are ~race-traitors~ and ~oriental fetishists~.

[misstwist]

WHAT. You define yourself based on racist arguments? Please get a fucking clue.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you mixed-race? You have no idea the racist shit I have to deal with from people telling my mum is 'cultural appropriating' for marrying my dad.
Stop trying to erase us.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

There's a difference between appreciating another culture and appropriating it, though.

[misstwist]

If you have to explain it with more than "It is a part of my culture," there really isn't a difference.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what you are saying?

[misstwist]

If you are cherry-picking something from another culture for REASONS, whether it's out of genuine appreciation or not, it's cultural appropriation.

[misstwist]

"Cultural appropriation" IS NOT another way of saying "pro-segregation" or "anti-miscegenation" - WTF!?

"Cultural appropriation" is generally used to describe the cherry-picking of unprivileged/minority cultural practices by the dominant culture/privileged class, thereby divorcing said cultural practice from historical and cultural meaning, e.g., white people wearing dreadlocks.

Please explain how being of mixed descent could be interpreted as "cultural appropriation."

[(Anonymous)]

1) when someone marries into another culture and they take on that culture (ie. white woman wears a sari on her wedding day to her Indian husband) they get called cultural appropriation

2) ignores and attacks mixed families via adoption (ie. someone could be white adopted into a Japanese family)

3) attacks mixed kids who look more like one parent than the other (ie. a half white/half Chinese kid comes out looking white, and is forced to deny half of their culture or they get called out for cultural appropriation)

[misstwist]

None of those are correct interpretations. The people making those arguments are wrong and racist and morons.

[(Anonymous)]

All of this talk of cultural appropriation vs. segregation has made me wonder about a few things. Misstwist mentioned white people can't have dreadlocks. I've seen a lot of white people with dreadlocks and no one ever got angry at them for it. Were they in the wrong?

I, personally, have always thought cornrows were beautiful and wanted to have them. However, I never have because I had never seen anyone with my ethnicity with them and thought it was some unspoken rule that we weren't allowed to.

This isn't me complaining about it though. I'm fine with it if I never can. But I do want to understand the reasons behind these things and why they exist. Would anyone be willing to tell me or link me to a place that would explain?

[(Anonymous)]

I live on a very mixed campus and a good chunk of whites and Asians have dreadlocks and no one cares here either; people have more important things to worry about I guess.

It's kind of an SJW thing. They think that if a white person wears/uses/does anything from a non-white culture it's cultural appropriation. For one, you'll notice that it only works when white people do it (ie. white person with dreadlocks is EVIL, black person in a kilt is a-ok (this type of hypocrisy goes hand in hand with the SJW-belief that "it's only racism if it's white on 'PoC'). Second, if you look at human history, we've been appropriating from each other since the Ancient times, that's why you have vases in Greece influenced by Egyptian style. The only to avoid this natural borrowing and sharing of cultures is to impose strict segregation.

/history major

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Thank you for speaking your mind and giving me your opinion. I will take it into consideration as I try to think about my own opinions on the matter.

[misstwist]

OMFG. Wrong.

"Cultural appropriation" is a term taken from anthropology. It is culturally-bound and it is not a judgmental term.

That is why motivations for cultural appropriation really do matter - is it done to disempower (dreadlocks as fashion vs. political statement, all of ancient Rome) or what?

There is no avoiding cultural appropriation but investigation of it keeps dominant cultures from extinguishing other cultures.

[misstwist]

Try searching the term "history of dreadlocks" - that would be an obvious place to start.

[logicbutton]

I admire your patience and stamina in this thread.

[misstwist]

;)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's necessarily the case at all.

For example, I am not Japanese. I have no Japanese blood in me at all. If I suddenly started acting as if I were Japanese, and as if I were a part of Japanese heritage, then I think it would be pretty understandable if people were offended. I'm deigning to take on a cultural identity without having been raised with that identity or having ever fully experienced what it means.

Now, to get more deeply into it: there is a risk of fetishizing a particular culture while still oppressing it. This is what people generally think of when they speak of "cultural appropriation." In the example of Lana Del Rey, the issue is that she borrowed from Native American culture. Native Americans have not historically been treated well by those who settled the continental USA. In many regards, they are still not treated well. So, it's potentially offensive for an American of European descent to adopt a Native American tradition because it might as well be saying, "I think aspects of your culture are cool, but you're still shit because you're not the right ethnicity."

I feel like I'm not explaining this well at all. My brain is not correctly translating my ideas to the page. But hopefully that makes some sort of sense.