[ SECRET POST #2150 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

15. http://i46.tinypic.com/f35jt1.png

[(Anonymous)]

all versions of loki are whiny little shits imo

idgaf about what he thinks he's suffered or is doomed to in either medium, he's basically a sociopath

[(Anonymous)]

Movie Loki might be a sociopath, but comics Loki definitely isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

dude, idk what you think sociopaths are but neither loki fits that definition???
he is definitely a terrible person in both versions but that doesn't mean he's a sociopath.

[(Anonymous)]

(Anon above you)

Actually, I think a strong argument could be made for movie Loki being a sociopath. Comics Loki, for all that he's (arguably) the crueler and more flat-out evil of the two, seems to be capable of genuinely caring for other people. Movie Loki, on the other hand, cares only about himself - yes, he wants Odin to love him, and certainly seems shocked and horrified when Odin falls into the Odin-sleep, but I think it's a perfectly valid interpretation to say that all of his apparent care for his family is solely self-serving.

He wants love, praise and validation, and that's what drives his every action in both movies (more praise and validation than love in the second one) but he doesn't seem all that interested in giving it to anyone else in return. His horror at Odin falling might have had nothing to do with actual love for him and everything to do with watching a man he idolized fall apart before him.

Not that it's the only interpretation that can be made, sure, but I think one could totally see him as a sociopath. But only in the movies.

[(Anonymous)]

It's times like this that make me facepalm at people who don't know what a sociopath is. People with APD do not have concern for their own safety or for that of others. They would not care at Odin AT ALL if they were a sociopath, nor even themselves. Sociopaths are actually quite stupid and typically end up in jail in their early to mid teens because they're impulsive and don't comprehend nor care about the moral wrongs society puts in place. They're the shitheads who end up stabbing an old man in front of a supermarket where everyone can see what they've done because they want the nice watch he has on, and don't care if they're arrested on the spot nor will be coming up with some elaborate plan to escape.

Loki is selfish and has done terrible things but he would not qualify as a sociopath. A Narcissist, maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the term sociopath was also being used for psychopaths now, though? And that psychopaths actually tend to be quite smart, and very good at playing at having normal emotions, and experts at manipulation, and are completely ruthless because they don't actually care about anyone but themselves. Which is why they tend to get ahead in business and shit.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess you haven't read much of Comics!Loki then, anon. While he might be reflective at times, he certainly is not a "whiny little shit."

Comics!Loki is an infinitely more intriguing character than Movie!Loki. The fact that he actually has periods of self-reflection where he questions his role in the universe makes him better than 99% of the other comic book villains out there.

His crimes are inexcusable, yes, but that doesn't take away from his significant role in the Marvel Comics universe.

[cloud_riven]

all versions of loki are winning little sluts imo

that's what I read at first, and I was going to ask you to point me in the direction of your headcanon. Ah well.

[dazzledfirestar]

That's what you get when all your character knowledge comes from fic. ;)

[elephantinegrace]

I haven't read the comics and gave the movie only a cursory viewing, but I can't help carrying over my views of myth!Loki. He's prophesied to be the one who brings about Ragnarok, which makes him an outcast. He's separated from his children because they're prophesied to cause Ragnarok. He's basically sexually assaulted multiple times and even if things are different for gods, that's still a shit thing to happen. And he ends up lying under a snake that drips poison on him. Not sure how much the comics or movie follow the original canon, but I think everything myth!Loki's been through makes him...understandable, if not sympathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure how much the comics or movie follow the original canon

Slightly less than Disney's Hercules hews to the actual myths. I'm really quite fond of the god in question; as far as I'm concerned the comics/movie one is a completely different person.

[(Anonymous)]

neither movies nor comics follow the myths much (for example, all of loki's myth-children have been revealed to not be his children at all in the comics)

but omg fandom loves to bring up everything that happens in the myths and pretend it's comics/movie canon so they can woobify him and it's so fucking annoying augh augh augh

[(Anonymous)]

which i don't get bc it's not as if the shit that happened to him in the actual comic and mcu canon isn't enough to woobify him if you're so inclined.

[(Anonymous)]

basically

although it depends on the extent to which you woobify him - comics loki especially has a really shitty deal, but it's not like that should exccuse him for all the awful things he does. and most of movie loki's issues are in his head, which makes him sympathetic on several levels but again, doesn't mean the shit he does is okay

[(Anonymous)]

Hela is still Loki's daughter in the comics.

I'm hit and miss on the movie/myth crossover. I certainly find the idea of exploring it in fic interesting as an AU but I would never ever insist that they're part of the movie canon at all. But I do agree that it would be nice if the myths could be used to do something other than woobify Loki in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

no she isn't.

[psi_yamaneko]

Hela has been revealed to have

(SPOILERS)

essentially been created by Loki but not actually his daughter. The reasons are timey-wimey, you know what I'm talking about, people who know what I'm talking about.

Fenris-Wolf and the Midgard Serpent are still his kids, as are a number of others. Most of them died in Ragnarok, though, AFAIK.

He was also married to Sigyn and chained to three rocks under a serpent that dripped venom into his face. So a lot of the things that happened in the myths happened in the comics, too, but through a Marvel filter (and, in some cases, horrible writing). I wouldn't say the comics are accurate to the myths but they do try to tie things in here and there.

[truxillogical]

If it's appropriate to have "headcanon" for myths, mine was always that Loki was kind of a prick, but an alright sort of guy, but he was a Trickster. Capital T. The Trickster figure shows up in myths all over, and really, their primary purpose is to teach (usually, but not always, through terrible example CoyoteIamlookingatyou.) A Trickster's job is to upset the status quo, to pull down the mighty, and to remind people that they're not invulnerable.

Cue a bunch of Aesir playing the "Let's throw stuff at Balder!" game. So Loki makes sure he gets hit by something that will actually hurt him. Why doesn't Loki weep to return Balder to life? Because (sometimes) dead is dead, and just because everyone wants something, it doesn't mean they get it.

Heck, didn't the Aesir only realize it was Loki's fault because Loki got good and pissed one day and decided to have an old fashioned Jerry Springer show in the mead hall? ("You are NOT the only one Freya's been shagging! Now who else has some dirty laundry?")

Bringing about Ragnarok, well...he'd been horribly tortured for a few centuries/millenia, all the while bound in the entrails of his own son. Yeah, that might make a guy kind of pissed.

[(Anonymous)]

Mythological Loki I'm fond of. As far as you can be fond as any of the scary, scary entities in myths.

[(Anonymous)]

"In b4 'OMG stupid silly Loki fans' wank." No you're not. That wank is faster than LIGHT, yo.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Loki is definitely a tragic character. It makes him a well-rounded villain but doesn't excuse his actions. But yeah, you have to wonder.. if things had been different, how would he have turned out?

[rbhudson]

Agreed. I love film!Loki because, well...Hiddles...but I love comics!Loki. Although, I think the original Loki from Norse myth will always trump these two.

[psi_yamaneko]

I agree with this, personally. In my reading of the comics, Loki's life really is tragic, leading up his immortal's version of a mid-life crisis in Siege.

He's still done horrible things, don't get me wrong, and he is not really worthy of sympathy. But his situation is pretty sad. I found him more compelling in the comics than in the films, too.

And, again, this is just based on my own readings. Others might interpret things in the comics differently, and that's just fine.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I have a lot of feelings about comi-book Loki's history and I don't feel like rambling, but basically, I find that he barely had a chance to be someone else, while Movie!Loki had plenty.