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⌈ Secret Post #2176 ⌋

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Not trying to change your mind, because you're entitled to your opinion, but if contraceptives were free, readily available, etc, wouldn't the need for abortion go waaaaaaay down, thus saving you from having to support it at all?

That's true, but I still don't think expecting other people to contribute to your sex habit is right (general you, not you specifically). I don't go to the fair expecting people to pay for my rides, why should I expect them to pay for them in the bedroom?

SA -- also, having birth control doesn't mean it's always used, used properly and is 100 percent effective. Also, the frequency of elective abortions don't really have much bearing on my stance on elective abortions.

but I still don't think expecting other people to contribute to your sex habit is right

So, you're also not okay with insurance and Medicare paying for Viagra, right? Because, right now, they do (well, not all health insurance, but many of them).

So, you're also not okay with insurance and Medicare paying for Viagra, right?
Correct.

Going on rides won't get you pregnant...

I mean. You wouldn't be paying for them to have sexyfuntimes, you're paying for them to be safe and healthy. And not get pregnant, therefore not having to consider the abortion you wouldn't want them to have.

I have no problem paying for people to be safe and healthy when they walk down the street, take public transportation, work at a job, etc. But I don't think it should be my responsibility to pay for safety and health of someone's sex life.

But at least in the case of mutually fertile heterosexual relationships, potential children are just as much as factor of society as sidewalks, public transportation, and employee safety. If not more so.

I'm afraid I'm not following here. The sidewalk and public transportation are public places that everybody should be responsible for, as everyone can use them. Jobs, independently wealthy people notwithstanding, are necessary and should be safe places as well.

When, with whom and how you choose to have sex are personal, private matters.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-12-18 04:06 (UTC) - Expand

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diet_poison - 2012-12-18 21:00 (UTC) - Expand

Birth control helps with medical issues, too. It's not just so that you can have a lot of sex.

And if you (again, general you) have a diagnosed medical condition for which those pills help, then I think that should be covered. Contraceptives for your entertainment, are your responsibility, I think.

How are you supposed to know the difference if someone is taking contraceptives for health reasons or "entertainment" reasons? If someone is taking pills for health reasons, should they be banned from having recreational sex? Should they be required to bring a notarized doctor's note to confirm that they really have PCOS or whatever and aren't just lying nymphos?

If someone is taking pills for health reasons, should they be banned from having recreational sex?

I have no idea where this wild leap of logic is coming from, and as such will not be responding to it.

And you know, maybe there's not a good system in place right now for dealing with when particular drugs should be covered as a medical necessity and when they're not for that, and maybe I don't even on my own know what that system would be, but that doesn't mean I in the interim of figuring it out, I have to support attempts to make me pay for somebody else's birth control pills, IUDs, condoms or sex pills.

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diet_poison - 2012-12-18 21:03 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2012-12-18 21:53 (UTC) - Expand

If I have to pay for some dude's Viagra (used solely for sex), why shouldn't he pay for my birth control (often used for reasons besides preventing pregnancy)?

I don't think having to pay for someone else's viagra is right, either.

Just not enough to complain about it like the contraceptive issue?

Just not a belief I feel intimidated into keeping quiet about un-anon in a fandom place.

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diet_poison - 2012-12-18 21:05 (UTC) - Expand

As a non-US anon, I simply can't understand why 'provided by insurance' gets equated with 'directly funded by other people' in these debates. It makes no sense to me. Everyone pays into the insurance, everyone gets different things back out of it. Why should anyone get to dictate what others should and should not be allowed to get out of their insurance? That's not how insurance works!

because thanks to the propaganda during the cold war (and many wars, really) + a degrading public education, many americans have this notion that proper healthcare = communism/socialism, and communism/socialism = EVIL MUST KILL IT

+ the good ol' "SCREW YOU, GOT MINE, BOOTSTRAPS, ETC. (except when I need help, of course)"

A lot of health insurance (practically speaking almost all of it) is either government funded or subsidized, or obtained through and paid for by an employer. So it's either the employer or the government who's funding the contraceptives. Which is why the question of whether employers should be allowed to choose whether to pay for insurance plans that allow people to buy contraceptives comes up with some frequency.

(In other words, the answer is because America's health care system is hilariously broken)

Well, yeah, but I still don't see why it matters. I mean, everyone pays into it, right? And you live in a free country, right? So where's the problem?

Because paying for condoms and pills is a lot cheaper than paying to take care of surgical procedures (that you "only support so much" -- I'm not even sure what that means) or unwanted children foisted on the state?

Because we live in a society where we do, in fact, serve each other through our taxes? Where paying for things is sometimes in our best interests?

Th' reason for supporting an idea is not always moral agreement, but its effect on society. If society could reasonably expect to benefit from your fairground rides, it would be a good point of policy to pay for them, whether th' abstract principles of right demanded it or not. It's a sound investment of taxpayer dollars.

"Sex habit"? Way to be condescending. Birth control is preventive health care and is effective for a number of conditions, including unwanted fertility.

Moreover, I don't know why you think anyone is expecting you to pay for anyone's contraception; insurance companies or government health care programs are usually the ones covering prescriptions, and much less expensively than prenatal care would be. Would you rather "cover" prenatal and pediatric health care for the people you would deny accessible birth control?

Except many people get birth control for valid medical reasons that have nothing to do with sex habits.

You're the type of person who thinks everyone on birth control is a slut aren't you?

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