[ SECRET POST #2195 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2195 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between subtlety and queerbaiting. If two same-sex characters aren't officially dating anyone, but have a very beautiful friendship that can easily be interpreted romantically, that's subtlety. If two same-sex characters have a beautiful friendship and everyone is always mistaking them for gay, but look at how gay they're not! Look at all the heterosexual sex they're having with other people! that's queerbaiting.

As a lesbian, I'm much more okay with the former.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

this

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. I have no kind thoughts for any sort of "no homo!" mentality. Either run with it or don't, but none of this "het sex proves I'm not gay!" bullshit. (Because, y'know, bisexuals never exist ever.)

[unicornherds]

Yes! Exactly. I don't think it's queerbaiting just to leave things open to interpretation. It's the whole "but look how gay they're not!" part that is the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Very much this.

There's a difference between UST and the sort of 'no h**o' attitude of queerbaiting. It pisses me off quite a lot. Treating homosexuality as a punchline is NOT OKAY.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL "h**o" No1curr if you say "homo" as part of a specific phrase, dude.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they cared? Maybe it wasn't for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they're Jewish and it's like saying God.

[maverickz3r0]

Yes, this exactly.

Subtext yay! Queerbaiting no yay.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how it's any different that straight shipping. I know a lot of times when straight ships get the "are you married?" OH NO NOPE NO WE'RE SEEING OTHER PEOPLE.

[(Anonymous)]

Because when it comes to straight ships, it's just about being together, not about their sexuality. The whole "you guys must be together" is entirely about their sexuality, and we all know that being accused of being gay is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.

When we reach the point at which queer relationships are totally normal and the jokes becomes just about being together, not about being gay, then it will be fine.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure how I see how presuming two people are together is not about their sexuality.

It is weird to assume two people are gay since it's a pretty rare thing. Seriously fandom made their own bed with as much slash as they produce. Now they get to sleep in it.

[(Anonymous)]

Being gay is not a rare thing. Which is the problem. Heteronormative assumptions and all that.

[(Anonymous)]

Polls consistently show approximately 3 per cent of respondents will identify themselves as gay. Not too high a number.

[(Anonymous)]

It's usually not about their sexual orientation. When Guy A and Girl B get shipteased, it's still very much assumed that even if they don't get together, Guy A will like girls and Girl B will like guys. If you want to watch a show about straight people and these particular straight people aren't cutting it for you, you can find more straight people on any other show.

Also, this conversation has really not been about straight slashers so far, it's been about a minority group wanting to be able to do the same thing that the majority can- get into a show, and see people like themselves having relationships and being happy. No disrespect intended toward straight slashers, but this is really not what this is about.

[(Anonymous)]

Very much this. I have especially little love for the kind of queerbaiting where the same-sex characters aren't officially dating anyone (or are in relationships with others but want out), have a beautiful friendship that can easily be interpreted romantically, and hey, what do you know, they realize they do have romantic feelings for each others (or at least one of them realizes) ... but they still don't get together, because at least one of them dies, or is married off, or something else happens that means they can't be together, usually before they can even tell each other how they feel. Happens a lot in anime - either that or the standard Emotionally Intense but Totally Not Romantic/Sexual relationship - and by now it's really coming across like writers will write anything but a happy ending for a same-sex couple, especially if they're women.

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to say this exactly. As a fellow lesbian, I really enjoy subtlety, but actual queerbaiting? No thank you. Though I have to say, I'm so starved for "subtlety" between female characters that I might even take some queerbaiting. I was genuinely confused that the OP picked a picture of women for the secret, because typically, queerbaiting happens between two (white) guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Soooooo much this. I have had so many discussions with people over the fact that subtext does not automatically equal queerbaiting. I agree that subtext is beautiful, but queerbaiting and the constant "lol no homo" honestly gets old.